Trump for US President?

The most absurd thing to me about this thread (and Trump support in general) is anyone claiming him as some sort of libertarian (an-cap, plumb line, whatever your flavor) hero. Because he might sorta agree on 1 issue with 1 "thinker" that the majority of libertarians with any influence (for what little it is) don't? OK. So anti-immigration is your only issue? And you are protectionist while claiming some sort of libertarian purity, also support eminent domain (anti- property rights), quote academics while being anti-intellectual, and so on.
 


Okay, gotcha. The point I was making is that you'll never fully escape "diversity," and market anarchism would most likely exacerbate the influx of non-whites into the general geographical area your covenant resides in. That's what I meant when I said your community would probably be a "droplet of [concentrated] white in a polychromatic sea of diversity."

The only reason I bring this up is because xenophobes might actually be better off in countries with semi-blanket immigration restrictions (like the US) than in an AnCap society. But it sounds like you've thought this out well enough, I guess.

Personally, I think racial segregation wouldn't be as strong as you might imagine in an AnCap society. Intelligent business owners generally don't discriminate against potential customers, and would most likely collaborate with land owners and other entrepreneurs to keep roads as open as much possible to encourage business.

It's hard to tell how things would turn out. It's conceivable that most people would be able to travel to most parts but they might not be able to live there. So you might have Somali tourists but no Somali residents, for example, in some areas. And if certain groups of individuals were known to cause problems, they might be banned outright.

Travel is a big industry, so I think the above is entirely feasible.

I don't think many people are xenophobes. They aren't afraid of foreigners. They just don't want what some groups bring. Some races/ethnicities have higher criminal tendencies, less regard for the environment, poverty, low regard for education, horrible behavior, etc. Most people naturally segregate themselves whether they admit it or not. This is especially true of non-whites. It's just not recognized or openly admitted. It's only when whites do something like that that it becomes an issue. You don't see anyone complain when Asians move to cities with lots of other Asians or if they move out when blacks arrive.
 
All this nonsense about someone being racist because they think that whites should be allowed to identify as a group and identify an etnicity with a geographical area.

If it's ok for jews to have Israel as a jewish state, the Japanese to have Japan, the Saudis to have SA, why is it not ok for whites to want a country that is predominantly white?
 
Israeli, Japanese, and Saudi are nationalities, not skin colors.

And if you haven't noticed, there's an almost countless number of predominantly white communities spread across North America and Europe. Go move to one. You can watch corn grow, while you eat hotdogs and play bingo with the old folks.
 
All this nonsense about someone being racist because they think that whites should be allowed to identify as a group and identify an etnicity with a geographical area.

If it's ok for jews to have Israel as a jewish state, the Japanese to have Japan, the Saudis to have SA, why is it not ok for whites to want a country that is predominantly white?

Because we've seen what you fuckers do when you exclusively group together for too long.

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It's only a matter of time before you people start trying to take shit over and doing weird, repressed shit.

Y'all need some brown people around you to maintain the balance... keep you in check.
 
I get that he's "diversity averse," but he certainly has a right to dislike people outside of his own race and culture.

I actually think egalitarian-minded folks could potentially benefit from an AnCap society in that racist shitheads would group together and leave everyone else alone.

What I want to know is if Mr. Martel actually grasps how alone he'd be, considering MILLIONS of 3rd world peasants would likely flock to stateless territories in order to take advantage of free market opportunities, zero taxes, freedoms, etc. Even IF conditions in AnCap societies were worse than they are now (in the US for example), they would probably still be much better than most 3rd world countries. This would incentivize a mass influx of (in Mr. Martel's mind) "undesirables." And because they'd be desperate for any work they could get, larger employers could exploit the fuck out of their cheap labor. Employers could even exchange housing accommodations for labor, effectively creating small Worker Communities. Since these businesses are getting their labor so cheaply, they could potentially outperform their competition, expand, buy more land, hire more cheap labor, build more communities, and go from there.

There's no way Mr. Martel's racist Homeowners Association(s) and land owner(s) could completely insulate themselves from this type of thing.

Even worse (for Mr. Martel), wealthy families and ambitious entrepreneurs from filthy brown countries would be drawn to stateless territories (no taxes or minimum wage laws? Yes please), bringing their filthy brown families and filthy brown associates with them.

There's no reason our dear Mr. Martel should expect any of these filthy brown people to keep a "safe" distance from his fat, pasty-white ass, unless he plans on never leaving his fat, pasty-white neighborhood (or the surrounding fat, pasty-white neighborhoods).

I pretty much agree with everything you have to say.

Charlesmartel is a giant douchebag though. Especially the Trump obsession. Why be a Trumpkin when Rand Paul is the superior choice? I guess Rand just isn't racist enough for this tool's liking.

And yeah Arabs are semites; there's no doubt in my mind that Charlesmartel hates them too along with the Jews.

Charlesmartel's fetish for racial segregation speaks volumes.
 
IndustryPariah has tourettes.

You little cocksucker, definition of an internet tough guy.
 
Charlesmartel would you be perfectly comfortable being the only white guy living in an east asian society?

I wouldn't want to live in an east Asian society regardless of how many whites lived there. I prefer Western civilization, which I believe is superior to all other civilizations.

My feelings are not unique as most legal and illegal immigrants move to the same area. They prefer to live with and near people similar to themselves. Most non-white people have strong ethnic/racial feelings and act on them. Just look at California. Mexicans vote other Mexicans into power and then actively promote Mexican interests (handing out free tuition, driver licenses, "free" healthcare, etc).

(As a side note, I spoke yesterday with a friend whose ex-wife (white) used to be a saleswoman. Part of her territory was a Chinese majority city in California. He told me when she would walk in the stores, the first thing the Chinese owner would say was, "Not interested. We buy from our own.)

Sure there are lone wolves who like to be the only person of their race/ethnicity in a certain area but it's an exception to the rule, not the rule.
 
I prefer Western civilization, which I believe is superior to all other civilizations.

That's a bit naive, don't you think? China and Chinese culture have been the super power for the majority of the last 2000 years, eh? Western civilization is quite new in comparison, and it looks like China will become the super power again shorty. Just wait until they get all their transportation networks in place, spanning from London to Singapore with Beijing as the center.
 
That's a bit naive, don't you think? China and Chinese culture have been the super power for the majority of the last 2000 years, eh? Western civilization is quite new in comparison, and it looks like China will become the super power again shorty. Just wait until they get all their transportation networks in place, spanning from London to Singapore with Beijing as the center.

What does China becoming a super power have anything to do with it? They don't even have the rule of law. Corruption is rampant. How many more centuries before they have rule of law?

Which countries/regions do most people in the world want to immigrate to? The top countries in terms of immigration are:

USA
Canada
Australia
All of Europe

They all have one thing in common. I'll let you guess.

The accomplishments of the West outnumber and outweigh the accomplishments of all other civilizations (rule of law, classical music, science, literature, standard of living, human rights, free speech, treatment of women, overall freedom, technological advances, etc).
 
(As a side note, I spoke yesterday with a friend whose ex-wife (white) used to be a saleswoman. Part of her territory was a Chinese majority city in California. He told me when she would walk in the stores, the first thing the Chinese owner would say was, "Not interested. We buy from our own.)

I call bullshit on this. Chinese will buy from anyone if the price is right.

Also I think you've pretty much proven to everyone that you're a closed minded racist. No offense; I'm just making an observation. As you have pointed out, many non whites are the same way, but doesn't make it right and they're being racist too.

Also not ALL non whites behave this way. Some Hong Kong Chinese are racist too, but most are pretty open minded because they live in a cosmopolitan international city. There's a lot more racism in China though.

Yeah I agree western civilization made some amazing accomplishments. However it was China that came up with the entire concept of the legal system. It was the west however that perfected it and created the rule OF law rather than the rule BY law. Hong Kong is great because it's a mix of east and west, so you can enjoy the benefits from both.

Also what countries have the lowest violent crime (including murder) rates in the world? It's not your beloved US. It's Hong Kong and Singapore.

I feel safe walking in the streets in the middle of the night. I don't feel that way in most US or European cities. I'm guessing that you're going to once again go to your tired old tirade of blaming immigrants for this. Hong Kong has a pretty open immigration policy too, and even has to deal with refugees from Africa, but it has far lower violent crime.
 
What does China becoming a super power have anything to do with it? They don't even have the rule of law. Corruption is rampant. How many more centuries before they have rule of law?

Like I said previously. China came up with the concept of a legal system before other nations did. The west perfected the concept of the legal system.

China might not have the rule of law (it has rule by law), but Hong Kong does and it's being maintained well. China will catch up eventually, and as far as commercial law is concerned there's been a lot of improvements as far as consistent court rulings go, but it still falls far short of Hong Kong.

I'm not convinced China will become a superpower though.
 
I call bullshit on this. Chinese will buy from anyone if the price is right.

Also I think you've pretty much proven to everyone that you're a closed minded racist. No offense.

Yeah I agree western civilization made some amazing accomplishments. However it was China that came up with the entire concept of the legal system. It was the west however that perfected it and created the rule OF law rather than the rule BY law. Hong Kong is great because it's a mix of east and west, so you can enjoy the benefits from both.

Also what countries have the lowest violent crime (including murder) rates in the world? It's not your beloved US. It's Hong Kong and Singapore.

I feel safe walking in the streets in the middle of the night. I don't feel that way in most US or European cities. I'm guessing that you're going to once again go to your tired old tirade of blaming immigrants for this. Hong Kong has a pretty open immigration policy too, and even has to deal with refugees from Africa, but it has far lower violent crime.

Bullshit? How much experience do you have with Chinese in the US? The person who told me had no reason to lie.

People vote with their feet and it's to Western countries. The evidence is incontrovertible.

The US has a high crime rate but it's not because of whites. Blacks (just 13% of the population) commit about half of all violent crimes. Add in the Hispanic numbers and whites commit very few crimes. I agree that East Asians commit the lowest number of crimes. The average East Asian IQ is also slightly higher than average white IQ. Am I an Asian supremacist for saying this?

It doesn't bother me that you call me a racist since the word is so overused that it is meaningless. Most people can't even define it. People seem to use it when they run out of valid arguments.
 
Like I said previously. China came up with the concept of a legal system before other nations did. The west perfected the concept of the legal system.

China might not have the rule of law (it has rule by law), but Hong Kong does and it's being maintained well. China will catch up eventually, and as far as commercial law is concerned there's been a lot of improvements as far as consistent court rulings go, but it still falls far short of Hong Kong.

I'm not convinced China will become a superpower though.

Assuming what you're saying is correct, that's pathetic. After hundreds of years, they still haven't gotten it right.
 
Assuming what you're saying is correct, that's pathetic. After hundreds of years, they still haven't gotten it right.

They still came up with concepts like a legal system and public schooling before anyone else did.

Whether it's pathetic that China just rested on their laurels is neither here nor there.

What's pathetic is what a closed minded racist you are. Maybe you should socialize with more non whites since you obviously don't. Perhaps you'd surprise yourself once you start seeing non white as individuals rather than a monolithic group (This applies to your views on Jews too). You'd come to the conclusion that you share more similarities with non whites than differences, and that the differences that are between you and them are merely skin deep.

In other words: grow up.
 
They still came up with concepts like a legal system and public schooling before anyone else did.

Whether it's pathetic that China just rested on their laurels is neither here nor there.

What's pathetic is what a closed minded racist you are. Maybe you should socialize with more non whites since you obviously don't. Perhaps you'd surprise yourself once you start seeing non white as individuals rather than a monolithic group (This applies to your views on Jews too). You'd come to the conclusion that you share more similarities with non whites than differences, and that the differences that are between you and them are merely skin deep.

In other words: grow up.

I'll assume you have an argument in there even though I couldn't find it. So you know who I socialize with? I don't even know you.

BTW, I've worked with blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. I have no problem with them individually and get along fine with them. It's when large numbers of them enter the US and start to push their ethnic interests and reverse assimilation that I have a problem with them as a group.

Why don't you move to Africa? After all, the difference between you and an African is only skin deep. I'm sure you'll find their culture and civilization on par with that of Hong Kong's.

P.S. I wouldn't consider public schooling as an accomplishment.
 
I'll assume you have an argument in there even though I couldn't find it. Why don't you move to Africa? After all, the difference between you and an African is only skin deep.

BTW, I wouldn't consider public schooling as an accomplishment.

Some countries in Africa are decent. South Africa, Kenya, and Botswana come to mind. Rwanda has shown some big improvements, and has been named Africa's most efficient government by the Global Competitive Report. Mauritius is practically the Hong Kong of Africa. There still needs to be a lot more economic development there though.

I still prefer living in Hong Kong though because I really enjoy Chinese culture and East Asia, but I've acquainted myself to some Africans that live here and they're really very nice people. Like I said, you should start seeing people are individuals and not as monolithic groups.

You're extremely closed minded, and it shows that you don't really interact with anyone outside of your race.

And of course you wouldn't consider public schooling much of an accomplishment, but it benefits society overall to have a well educated populace. WF poster Wayne gave some really good examples of what the German public schooling system can produce. In Germany university education is basically fully subsidized by the government.

As a libertarian, I like limited government, but I don't like the idea of government completely dropping public schooling because then you have large patches of knuckle dragging idiots that are completely uneducated since they couldn't afford a private school.

Eliminating public education is the definition of a Nation shooting itself in the foot.
 
It's pretty much a waste of time to try to talk any sense into charlesmartel. This guy is the definition of white trash. No matter what you say, he won't change his mind and will continue to think that he's right and you're wrong.

That's why I don't even bother have any sort of intellectual coversation with him and go straight into calling him an unredeemable piece of shit instead.

This is the kind of piece of trash that won't vote for Rand Paul because Rand Paul wants to help empower black communities with his Economic Freedom Zones.