Happy False Flag Day!

Who says it was the government? why couldn't it be a group of powerful men keen to profit trillions from a war? Sure I believe something is suspicious about it, but do you have any evidence it was the government?

How could it NOT have been the government? It would take some major pull from private corporations to have NORAD stand down, or the Pentagon open up their airspace to unauthorized aircraft, both of which happened on 9/11. Or have the scenes cleaned up so quickly and efficiently. Or just how the investigation into 9/11 occurred, with the government constantly stonewalling it, Bush and Cheney not willing to answer questions, and definitely not under oath, etc.

Or do you remember how the propaganda machine was in full tilt after 9/11? They went into Afghanistan, which was fine and dandy, then just an avalanche of pure propaganda came in regarding Iraq. It was obvious too, hence why it sparked the largest coordinated worldwide protests ever seen by man before. Remember that? The propaganda was so obvious, almost every major city in the world coordinated together to have protests on the same day against an invasion of Iraq.

Then I remember during the beginning of the Iraq invasion, all of a sudden loads of news reports started coming out about how Syria and Egypt were terrorist havens, and need to be dealt with. Once Iraq went to hell though, those news reports magically halted, and we were never bothered with Syria or Egypt again (until the Arab Spring, of course).
 


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s]BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early-- TWICE - YouTube[/ame]

Just saying. How does a steel structured building, not hit by an airplane collapse into its own footprint? Not to mention it held the NYC emergency command center and a number of financial institutions. This was a solid building.
 
BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early-- TWICE - YouTube

Just saying. How does a steel structured building, not hit by an airplane collapse into its own footprint? Not to mention it held the NYC emergency command center and a number of financial institutions. This was a solid building.

That's an interesting video. I wonder if maybe the BBC made a reporting error based on information that at 2 o'clock firemen set up a collapse zone and said "This building is coming down" because of how badly damaged it was after having been struck by debris from WTC 1.
 
I never believed in the controlled demo theory. I found it perfectly plausible that burning jet fuel could bring down the towers.

But...I have never heard a good explanation for WTC7 which is where all the goodies were at. We'll never know the whole story, and we'll still be talking about it 50 years later just like JFK. But even if we knew the truth, nobody is going to do anything about it. The government has admitted to false flags in the past and nothing happens.
 
That's an interesting video. I wonder if maybe the BBC made a reporting error based on information that at 2 o'clock firemen set up a collapse zone and said "This building is coming down" because of how badly damaged it was after having been struck by debris from WTC 1.

Even if that where the case, how does the building collapse? It was a big steel structured building with only minor damage and fires. This building was made to easily handle it, yet it magically collapses. Weirder yet, not only does BBC call it early, there where firemen on the street that knew it was coming down, and later the owner of building said they made a decision to "pull" the building, meaning to bring the building down.

However, how do you make a giant building come down without having set explosive or cutter charges in it already?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I]9/11-WTC7 Larry Silverstein says 'PULL IT' (INSIDE JOB) - YouTube[/ame]

MSNBC knew as well.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WZpXiEKAo&feature=related]WTC7 - "That is the building that is going to go down next" - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Even if that where the case, how does the building collapse? It was a big steel structured building with only minor damage and fires. This building was made to easily handle it, yet it magically collapses. Weirder yet, not only does BBC call it early, there where firemen on the street that knew it was coming down, and later the owner of building said they made a decision to "pull" the building, meaning to bring the building down.

However, how do you make a giant building come down without having set explosive or cutter charges in it already?

9/11-WTC7 Larry Silverstein says 'PULL IT' (INSIDE JOB) - YouTube

MSNBC knew as well.
WTC7 - "That is the building that is going to go down next" - YouTube

I wouldn't describe the chunk taken out of the south west corner as being minor damage. It spanned nearly 20 floors up. Not to mention the fires that were reported in that building. (It's too large for the thread, but it's the second picture down that shows the damage to the SW corner.)

As far as Silverstein's "pull it" comment, it's well known (maybe not in truther circles because there is far too much selective hearing in that community) that he was referring to the firefighters still inside the building attempting to rescue people. The fire Commander kept Silverstein updated throughout the 7 hours that the building had been burning. When the fire Commander believed that the building could no longer stand he gave this information to Silverstein who told him to "Pull it" as in the rescue operations. Everyone was pulled out, a collapse zone was cleared and the building finally came down 2 or 3 hours later at 5:20 pm or at 5:00 pm as the BBC incorrectly reported. But you and I both know that the BBC is full of soccer loving Eurofags, so naturally they're going to screw things up.
 
I always go back to this;

What's more plausible, a dozen or so Arab's put together a plan to hijack 4 airliners and crash them into things OR

Nearly every government agency and thousands of government officials being in on some huge conspiracy to kill innocent Americans so we can go to war in the Middle East for oil? And the entire time, everyone involved keeps their mouth shut and no information is leaked prior to or after 9/11 taking place.

You can't keep a secret in a room with 10 people. How the hell could you keep a secret of this magnitude with hundreds or people involved in killing innocent civilians. There's no way it could happen.
 
You can't keep a secret in a room with 10 people. How the hell could you keep a secret of this magnitude with hundreds or people involved in killing innocent civilians. There's no way it could happen.

Not sure if joking or brainwashed american...

If you think a few ice cream top arabs with box cutters could take down 3 buildings in NY with 2 planes your outta your fuckin mind bro.. but i respect your pride.
 
Love and compassion is understandable for what happened on 9/11. However, blindness is stupidity. Am I saying this was staged to continue the war effort (for oil) that's been going on in the middle east since early 1990s? Possibly.. If not that, would this have been prevented if we closed our borders to foreign policy/trade? Absolutely. The blood of these people are on the hands of our government, not necessarily the 'enemy' that we're supposedly fighting.
 
Nearly every government agency and thousands of government officials being in on some huge conspiracy to kill innocent Americans so we can go to war in the Middle East for oil?

That's a bit of a strawman though. Not saying I believe there was a conspiracy (although we definitely don't know the whole story), but if there were a conspiracy you wouldn't need more than a handful of people to pull it off.

Everybody else would respond in the way they were trained. For instance, you wouldn't need everyone in the media to lie, you would just need a well-placed source, then let the media go off and running with what they do.

You wouldn't need everyone in the government to lie, just people in a few key positions, then let everyone else do what they're trained to do. Don't forget, Government is very compartmentalized so most people only know their exact job, not the big picture of WHY they are ordered to do something.

Then all you have to do is plant some REALLY hair-brained conspiracies in the public consciousness through people like Alex Jones and then nobody knows what the fuck to believe so they just move on. You should read up on some of the psyops that the US military does, such as the entire teams of people whose sole job it is to dispense bullshit onto the Internet for instance.
 
I always go back to this;

What's more plausible, a dozen or so Arab's put together a plan to hijack 4 airliners and crash them into things OR

Nearly every government agency and thousands of government officials being in on some huge conspiracy to kill innocent Americans so we can go to war in the Middle East for oil? And the entire time, everyone involved keeps their mouth shut and no information is leaked prior to or after 9/11 taking place.

You can't keep a secret in a room with 10 people. How the hell could you keep a secret of this magnitude with hundreds or people involved in killing innocent civilians. There's no way it could happen.

If it was 12 Arabs they got the shitty end of the stick. And those who stand to profit got the goose that laid the golden egg.

I don't know what happened. I joined the military right after. I spent a lot of time believing the official story.

But looking at it now, just looking how it's played out it's sure served special interests pretty damn well.

It's no secret that we funded the Afghan Mujahideen. We financed what became Al-Qaeda. Even if the Government or CIA played no bigger role than that, the bullets I was ducking overseas were most likely paid for by US tax payers.

As for keeping secrets, for all we know it could have been a group of 5 people or less who really knew everything. I doubt Bush knew. He was probably briefed that there are credible threats to national security, etc.

Everyone else in the pyramid would be briefed on a need to know basis.

But yeah, we'll probably never know.

This little report by Major General Smedley Butler written prior to WW2 is still just as relevant today. It talks about who pays for war, who wants war and why.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf

Eisenhower was on to something too.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bqr5DVx3dw"]Eisenhowers Farewell Address Jan. 1961 - YouTube[/ame]
 
Thomas Eager at MIT published an excellent paper on why the towers fell as they did.

This is not a research paper, yet alone an "excellent" one. It appears to be an article written right after 9/11 giving ideas as to how the towers may have collapsed.

There's no mention of building 7, and I believe that the "pancake theory" that they seem to be describing ended up being abandoned by the government's own researchers. Also, the article says that steel could not have melted, but I believe that at least one of the government reports said that some did.
 
Let me give a real world example of how a conspiracy works, albeit on a much smaller scale.

First of all, remember that "government" is not a thing or an object that moves in one direction. Government is just a collection of people that happen to get paid to do various jobs, and they all have their own lives, weaknesses and motivations etc.

I used to work in the auto industry for years. I started out slangin parts and sweating my balls off and worked my way up into middle management. Now, when I worked on the line we got paid by the hour with overtime and all that good shit. Strangely enough, every year before summer shutdown, and every year before Xmas shutdown, we'd have some weird mechanical failure. It was always something different, but it always forced us to work overtime. The shit had to get made though, so the company just took the loss and paid the guys OT to do what had to be done. The ones that really made out were the skilled trades guys because only a handful of people could do their job.

Now, most of us knew that was too much of a coincidence, but we never knew who was doing it. Even when I moved up into management, we'd joke about downtime coming before the Holidays because the skilled tradesman were eligible for 3x hourly pay and sure enough like clockwork something would fuck up.

How many people had to be in on that? Upper management certainly wasn't involved, but the special ops guys (oops I mean skilled trades guys) probably knew. Not all of them, but enough to get the job done. Everyone else just did what we were trained to do. I always suspected a couple of the electricians, but couldn't prove it. I knew that they made the most money from our downtime, so it made sense.

If you want to know who was behind 9/11, just ask yourself who stood to gain the most financially from it. Al-Qaeda (lol)? Thousands of dollars are extracted from an unknowing entity (the company, taxpayers - whatever) for the enrichment of a few, with plenty of clueless people that just went with the flow. And that sir, is how a good conspiracy works.
 
I always go back to this;

What's more plausible, a dozen or so Arab's put together a plan to hijack 4 airliners and crash them into things OR

Nearly every government agency and thousands of government officials being in on some huge conspiracy to kill innocent Americans so we can go to war in the Middle East for oil? And the entire time, everyone involved keeps their mouth shut and no information is leaked prior to or after 9/11 taking place.

You can't keep a secret in a room with 10 people. How the hell could you keep a secret of this magnitude with hundreds or people involved in killing innocent civilians. There's no way it could happen.

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What's more plausible, a dozen or so Arab's put together a plan to hijack 4 airliners and crash them into things

Not just planning. Planning and executing, creating the observed phenomena as a result of realizing their plan.


a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

So even inside the framwork of occam's razor, insufficient as it is, we're inquiring on a whodunit, attempting to explain this unknown in terms of what's known.

Here is a partial list of what's known. We compare the official story with a proposed conspiracy involving government/military/private entities pinning blame for their own malevolence on the target of their geopolitical ends. According to occam's razor, we ask which of these proposals offer the simpler explanation.

Answer those questions inside the framework of the official story and we can talk occam's razor. I'd rather talk cui bono. good luck bros
 
Just read about 'Operation Northwoods' and you will question everything.
 
Not just planning. Planning and executing, creating the observed phenomena as a result of realizing their plan.





So even inside the framwork of occam's razor, insufficient as it is, we're inquiring on a whodunit, attempting to explain this unknown in terms of what's known.

Here is a partial list of what's known. We compare the official story with a proposed conspiracy involving government/military/private entities pinning blame for their own malevolence on the target of their geopolitical ends. According to occam's razor, we ask which of these proposals offer the simpler explanation.

Answer those questions inside the framework of the official story and we can talk occam's razor. I'd rather talk cui bono. good luck bros

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