Another shooting at Virginia Tech...



Netphase said:
Not possible. Virginia Tech is a "Gun Free Zone". :rolleyes:
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It's in the middle of Appalachia, surrounded by hillbillies who like guns. Guns aren't rare there at all, they probably aren't permitted to carry on campus though. This is hopefully just a large reaction because of the last shooting and nothing else will happen.
 
...I am sure the cop didn't have a gun either.... :ak:


I like how people that like guns pretend they could stop things like this like John Rambo.
 
wiredniko said:
...I am sure the cop didn't have a gun either.... :ak:


I like how people that like guns pretend they could stop things like this like John Rambo.
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The guy who stopped the shooter who targeted the congresswoman in New Mexico was armed. That guy could have taken out a lot more people.
 
I'm sure the shooter is respecting the 'gun free zone' just like all the helpless students are.
 
wiredniko said:
I like how people that like guns pretend they could stop things like this like John Rambo.
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From here:

On January 16, 2002, 43-year-old Nigerian former student Peter Odighizuwa arrived on the Appalachian School of Law campus with a handgun. Odighizuwa first discussed his academic problems with professor Dale Rubin, where he reportedly told Rubin to pray for him. Odighizuwa returned to the school around 1:00 p.m. and proceeded to the offices of Dean Anthony Sutin and Professor Thomas Blackwell, where he opened fire with a .380 ACP semi-automatic handgun. According to a county coroner, powder burns indicated that both victims were shot at point blank range. Also killed was student Angela Dales. Three students were wounded.

When Odighizuwa left the building where the shooting took place, he was approached by two students with personal firearms and one unarmed student. There are two versions of the events that transpired at that moment, one by Tracy Bridges and one by Ted Besen.

According to Bridges: at the first sound of gunfire, he and fellow student Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to retrieve their personally-owned firearms placed in their glove compartments. Mikael Gross, a police officer from Grifton, North Carolina retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armor. Bridges, a county sheriff's deputy from Asheville, North Carolina retrieved his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver's seat of his Chevrolet Tahoe. Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun. Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.

According to Besen: Before Odighizuwa saw Bridges and Gross with their weapons, Odighizuwa set down his gun and raised his arms like he was mocking people. Besen, a former Marine and police officer in Wilmington, North Carolina, engaged in a physical confrontation with Odighizuwa, and knocked him to the ground. Bridges and Gross then arrived with their guns once Odighizuwa was tackled. Additional witnesses at the scene stated they did not see Bridges or Gross with their guns at the time Besen started subduing Odighizuwa. Once Odighizuwa was securely held down, Gross went back to his vehicle and retrieved handcuffs to detain Odighizuwa until police could arrive.
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If you refuse to look for examples, it is unfair to imply such examples do not exist.

More reading for those who are interested:

Media Bias About Guns by John R. Lott, Jr.
 
wiredniko said:
I like how people that like guns pretend they could stop things like this like John Rambo.
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I like how you think we pretend we can stop things like this. And that you think people who like guns project themselves as the likes of a fictional hollywood war character who mows people down with a machine gun.
 
JarredLv said:
This is why I fully support the efforts of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus - ConcealedCampus.com

Schools are a huge fucking target. There is not a single logical reason why a law abiding concealed weapons carrier should not be able to carry their weapon on a campus.
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Giving easily accessible firearms to a bunch of adolescent alcoholics is not the best idea I've ever heard.

Teachers should most certainly have arms at will though.
 
^ It probably wouldn't be a good idea to have guns lying all over the place at a frat house, but millions of students live off campus and/or attend parties off campus and I'm not aware of any major gun related issues.
 
metalshark said:
Giving easily accessible firearms to a bunch of adolescent alcoholics is not the best idea I've ever heard.

Teachers should most certainly have arms at will though.
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When I was a college student I had a valid concealed carry permit. Are you saying that, even with me having passed all the requirements to carry a concealed weapon, I should be disarmed when I attended classes? If so, why should the sole act of me attending an institution of higher learning be cause to disarm me?

Please tell me the advantage to preventing this student from carrying her lawful held concealed weapon:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSxaBEOx7c"]NRA News Profile: Amanda Collins - YouTube[/ame]
 
metalshark said:
Giving easily accessible firearms to a bunch of adolescent alcoholics is not the best idea I've ever heard.

Teachers should most certainly have arms at will though.
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Do you really think that they're not easily accessible as it stands? Most any college student who wants a gun could get one. Staying within the law is what makes the difficulty go up a bit. Getting a permit to carry in most states raises the bar a bit higher. Not to mention, it costs a bit of money since most states require some sort of training class. This means stupid events involving the firearm legally carried by someone are rare. You're more apt to hear nothing about a permit holder or that they successfully used the weapon to protect themselves, than you are to hear of their involvement in a crime.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if there were zero requirement in order for people to carry, and to do so anywhere they please. A few states already do this, and there is little to no evidence that it reduces public safety at all.
 
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JarredLv said:
When I was a college student I had a valid concealed carry permit. Are you saying that, even with me having passed all the requirements to carry a concealed weapon, I should be disarmed when I attended classes? If so, why should the sole act of me attending an institution of higher learning be cause to disarm me?

Please tell me the advantage to preventing this student from carrying her lawful held concealed weapon:
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It's not the responsible ones that I would worry about. And your girl in the video got attacked assassins creed style - doubt she seriously could have pulled a gun out to prevent it.


DanWesson said:
Do you really think that they're not easily accessible as it stands? Most any college student who wants a gun could get one. Staying within the law is what makes the difficulty go up a bit. Getting a permit to carry in most states raises the bar a bit higher. Not to mention, it costs a bit of money since most states require some sort of training class. This means stupid events involving the firearm legally carried by someone are rare. You're more apt to hear nothing about a permit holder or that they successfully used the weapon to protect themselves, than you are to hear of their involvement in a crime.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if there were zero requirement in order for people to carry, and to do so anywhere they please. A few states already do this, and there is little to no evidence that it reduces public safety at all.
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No...not on campus. The idea of severe consequence is what stops (at least a few) stupid fucks from bringing them around in the first place.

And to the both of you - Implying that a CWP is acceptable on campus also implies that it would be allowed in dorms and apartments on campus. I've seen plenty of drunk college kids lose their minds. All it would take is some raging drunk shit to take his roommates weapon and go wild one night.
 
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