...there's no good reason to believe in a god. There's no scientific evidence for it...You can't even define god without contradicting yourself...Do you believe in voodoo dolls REImkt?
You are correct. I cannot define a being outside of the dimensions in which I know. I can only describe that being n the ways in which he/she/it has chosen to reveal him/her/itself within my understanding and dimensions. By the way a voodoo doll can work. I do believe in the supernatural.
How many times in this thread are you going to suggest that evolution justifies racism?... Race is a matter of geography. ... if aliens landed on Earth tomorrow and showed us...the origin of our species it would be pretty damn convincing.
If someone already addressed it in this thread - then I missed it.
If evolution, and I do believe in evolution to a point, but if it is true, aren't we all evolving from different sources? Therefore aren't some sources superior to others? Some more "evolved" than others?
Surely they cannot all be equal. And why are there so few animals on earth even close to attaining the levels of thought and superiority than humans?
Once again, I have not studied evolution since the 1980's, but this seems a natural question.
What about all the Christians who don't believe in evolution but are still racist? Even if evolution did create a foundation for racism that's beside the point.
...the time period literally that the bible describes in how long it took to create living things on earth then yes it does conflict quite a bit with evolution. ...the bible starts with humans just being here, not evolved over many many years as in evolution.
Those Christians are idiots and not following the Bible. It is beside the point for me, but clearly a problem for those that have inconsistent views on this world.
There are plenty of Christians that believe in an Earth that is millions and millions of years old. There are ignorant people in all religions, all philosophies, and all groups within society.
How do you know how it happened? Maybe God let everything evolve and then created humans? Maybe God created a mature earth with all the transitions built in. Maybe the Humans he created are different, though similar in material as the fossils you find.
There are dozens of explanations, none of which are any more convoluted than what is being presented as Science. Personally I have no idea how it worked, I am simply saying that evolution is not contradictory to the Bible. Now have I ever been taught that it is.
And racism is more based of cultural differences in which the 'race' is just... how groups form socially.
I suppose I am thinking of Racism as the thought that one race is superior to another with an underlying assumption that these racists believe there is a foundational genetic component to this belief.
It is not absurd to think that an all-knowing god would know how people...would interpret those 2000 year old words.
try to use Occham's razor on this concept
A. A giant space fairy who is all powerful and all knowing wanted to communicate with a silly little race that he cares about on one of his quadrillions of planets so he wrote them a book but only in verbiage that the people of that very year would understand, yet felt it was too much work or something to use a few words like "Sphere" in the right place to let people for all times on that planet know he really existed.
or,
B. There are no giant space fairies. A bunch of men over 2000 years ago wrote this book to the best of their knowledge to that time.
Can't you see how freaking absurd YOUR side of the argument is??
That all knowing God wanted man to understand the points He was communicating. The points are understood to this day.
By the way - Occham's Razor is not the end all of science. I have read a lot on it since you first pointed me toward in another thread a long time ago - As I always have said I am sincere in my honest exploration of all of these issues. I want to know the truth.
and I am a lot more open minded than most of you would imagine.
I feel that racism could be a side effect of evolution...It's such a tiny, insignificant aspect of humanity next to the wonders of evolution that to mention it...demeans evolution.
Racism will be destroyed soon enough anyway... because of 2 reasons:
1. As we get smarter we are learning more about each other and the fear of the unknown will grow smaller.
2. Ironically, as time goes by we will crossbreed down to a point where all of humanity will be one single race again. ...
I agree about inbreeding (I did my part I married Japanese). It is interesting that you say we will be one single human race again. Does that mean that your evolution has a single human ancestry or multiple vines leading to our current state of being?
LULZ!
This statement will make any ex-christian or person who understands evolution laugh out loud.
...you clearly do not understand the whole theory of evolution. It's so much bigger... It doesn't just happen to life, it happens to MATTER. It's the exact same process as the stars forming from gas clouds and spinning off planets... It creates life itself from non-living goo, gases, and electricity.
How life came about and what its' place in this universe becomes very clear once you get the big picture of evolution in your head all at once.
And sky fairies will be the first thing to go when you do.
If you REALLY want a great visual overview of evolution, read Stephen Baxter's Evolution Stephen Baxter's "Evolution." It reads like a history book of life on Earth from the single-cellular up to the impossibly-far future. It's some awesome, big-vision stuff.
I do not know how many times I have to say it, evolution does not negate God or Christianity. You can tell me all of your processes and I can say God designed it that way. So arguing this is counterproductive because Evolution does not negate God.
And Yes I did read on the evolution of matter and even on Baxter's Evolution which sounds similar to James Michener's The Source.
Honestly that's possible. But extremely highly unlikely. Meanwhile there is a perfectly plausible explanation over in Darwin's camp...
Why unlikely that advanced science presented in the Bible thousands of years ago would not be looked at with skepticism and ignored?
Maybe God wrote it to them that way because they needed to hear it that way, just as when you teach a child in a way a child understands, not in a way an adult communicates/understands.
God then knew that thousands of years later man would still be able to get the gist of his message - in the book that he preserved over the centuries.
If either god or aliens landed on my lawn and told me face to face, sure,...
That's called adding new evidence. Scientists do this on a daily basis.
There's just never been any credible evidence before for anything supernatural.
What is evidence to you? And an Alien is hardly "supernatural". The alien would simply be a species that was created or evolved elsewhere. Do you not allow for that?
No.
It does and always will come back to Occham's Razor and Evolution together clearly explaining everything so perfectly.
Occham was a man from what, the 13th century. And what he said is Gospel to you? Maybe the complex answer is actually the truth.
By the way, what is more plausible,
A tiny dense concentrated piece of matter excising on its own without any explanation for what else exists in addition to it or around it or before it or after and then it exploded into a series of Big Bangs into evolving matter and everything else.
or
A being that created time, is outside of time in another dimension, created everything we know and can understand because we are limited by the dimensions in which we exist and understand?
... the difference being that there would be proof in front of our eyes...substantiated and backed-up to more than just imagination...as is with the idea of a god.
'God' has never... even close to showing any kind of proof. It's only in the poor reasoning skills of people like yourself that the idea is allowed to continue.
The Christian would look at history and say look at the preserved text, the accuracy of the Bible, the fulfilled prophecies, the historically provable timeline where events are foretold and then happen.
Look at the explanations of the world, look at the explanations of the future. Is there anything on earth more miraculous than the Bible, its accuracy, and its proven historical prophecies?
That there is a creator that created man to fit within a certain relationship with this creator and as a result of violating that relationship has to do the best they can while alive to re-connect with that creator later otherwise they will be eternally separated from that creator.
The Non Christian says, look at the Christian who twists history to match prophecy, who believes in the unproven supernatural, who believes foolishly that they are in violation of a divine being and have to eat his flesh etc etc etc.
The Christian is a fool for all of this nonsense and lack of scientific method.
But the Non Christian is wrong in their presumptions about true Christianity. They assume the Christian is an idiot and then quote so-called facts that are not even within true Christian doctrine.
There are problems with Christianity, but what you guys think are problems are not problems at all. They are all well reasoned and laid out in Christian doctrine and beliefs. That is the difference between Christianity and so many Religions - everything within in it is open for debate, examination, and verification - no secrets.
). The creation story found in the Bible is simply a 'rough sketch' of this mesopotamian creation story. It's not even unique or original!: 
