So sick of this shit with Ron Paul!

[BigWill]

Nah, we are humans. We have free will. You can't just say 'they are sheep, it isn't their fault'.

Because in that case, you could say that about the rapist (his mom beat him), the killer (his dad tortured him), or any other bad act. Just justify it through 'well, it wasn't their fault, they are a product of their environment arguments'

It isn't the media. It is them. They don't want reasonable, logical candidates, which is why they vote against them.

They might have adverse environmental conditions that push them into bad decisions. But they are responsible none the less for their actions, and what their actions amount to.

If it was acceptable to torture your children and everyone said it was thing to do. Bet you a lot of people would do it...

That's a pretty far out comparison though. People do have free will, but they are also very easily manipulated. Many think with emotions, they crave to be accepted in society.

I can't count how many times I heard "I want to vote for ron paul but won't because he's not electable, I have to vote for someone so i'm picking X"

You would be surprised what sort of shit is used to sway the public's opinion on things.

 

[lukep]

Need I mention Century of the Self again? Sheeple are being herded.

I'm with BigWill on this one; people who aren't giving their full attention and blocking out others are socially swayed. It's just how society works these days and I find it highly ironic that anyone on this board full of marketers could argue against that point.

 

[Moxie]

*78% of those polled were 45 and up, which isn't even Ron's strongest demographic, which are those individuals younger than 45.

That's probably because 78% of likely voters are 45 and up. Two of the obvious keys for Paul are to gain more ground with older voters and to get more younger voters to the polls.

 

[Pseudo Nym]

So, a question: if Ron Paul somehow won the presidency, what would happen? I mean, he has virtually no party support in congress... how's anything supposed to get done? Would he just veto anything that has even a hint of spending? Would it be four years of government getting absolutely nothing whatsoever accomplished?

As much as I respect the guy for his honesty, plain-spokenness and dedication to his convictions, I have a hard time seeing how four (let alone eight) years of government deadlock would be productive.

 

[stmadeveloper]

I picture it like this.

1.) He's elected.

2.) He speaks to the people. Says - THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I can't pass legislation so call your senator and congressmen.

I can in the mean time do this with my executive powers under the constitution. Now you have to make your voice heard.

One thing I've never once heard Paul promise is something that's not with in his power... or given to his position with the constitution and i've listened to a lot of his speeches from years past. It's one of the reasons I like the guy so damn much.

I love it when a candidate promises to 'balance' the budget, or do something like stop abortion. It lets me know they are full of shit.

 

[hellblazer]

Well played on the truth point. You got me there. We tend to disagree, but I always find you to be quite intelligent, and I enjoy cyber talking to you.


Back on point, you admit he is the only candidate that is logical and reasonable.

Yet no one votes for him. So what does that tell you about American's hunger for, if not the truth; the most logical and reasonable perspective on reality?

And this is now. When the powers that be are showing their true colors. Even now people hardly vote for him. Before the crash, 9 out of 10 of current Ron Paul supports didn't believe in him. Gold standard? Ha, that was for nutcases. It took the reality of a fiat currency to hit people, for even a small percentage of the country to consider it. The banksters are printing money which dilutes the money in our pockets, in a way never done before, and only a small percentage even dare acknowledge it.

Look at the movies. How popular are retarded movies like batman, ironman, planet of the apes, captain America, or fast and furious. Now how many people saw an inside job?

There are none so blind as those that don't want to see.

Your argument is a copout. Mass people, i.e. the sheeple, will believe whatever the "consensus" is. The consensus is simply shaped by the main stream. Own enough operations in the main stream and you shape the consensus. Make it 99% packaging and 1% message and they won't even know they're being brainwashed. People think brainwashing is bad, it's a tool like anything else, it can be used for good and evil. Run the same story every day, phrased differently, if you want gold standard, put headline "Pressure grows for U.S. to return to gold standard", "Consensus builds for U.S. return to gold standard", "American monetary reform desperately needed, critics claim", etc... Phrase it as if you're objective, the same way these Communist scum do in the media.

Look at an operation like Politico, for example. Totally online, it's just a site, their packaging/design is superb, they started fairly recently, now I see their "editors" on TV everywhere being asked their opinion. If you duplicated their operation, you could have your people on TV pushing your talking points, infiltrating the main stream. Professionalism is the facade that can sucker almost anyone.

My point is simply that the cultural institutions(media, entertainment, education) were taken over long ago, and it is really not that hard for a focused group of individuals to take it back. Of course I'm not gonna help any of you because you're all morons. But that's how you beat "the media". Become the media.

 

[lukep]

Mass people, i.e. the sheeple, will believe whatever the "consensus" is. The consensus is simply shaped by the main stream. Own enough operations in the main stream and you shape the consensus. Make it 99% packaging and 1% message and they won't even know they're being brainwashed. People think brainwashing is bad, it's a tool like anything else, it can be used for good and evil.

FUCK.

Hellblazer just agreed with my point of view.

Does this mean I must wear a tinfoil suit now too? :uhoh2:

 

[Dresden14]

Any man who believes in this:
Border Security

Gets my vote... A+ RP

 

[500WA]

76 Today -

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

 

[REIMktg]

Your argument is a copout. Mass people, i.e. the sheeple, will believe whatever the "consensus" is. The consensus is simply shaped by the main stream. Own enough operations in the main stream and you shape the consensus. Make it 99% packaging and 1% message and they won't even know they're being brainwashed. People think brainwashing is bad, it's a tool like anything else, it can be used for good and evil. Run the same story every day, phrased differently, if you want gold standard, put headline "Pressure grows for U.S. to return to gold standard", "Consensus builds for U.S. return to gold standard", "American monetary reform desperately needed, critics claim", etc... Phrase it as if you're objective, the same way these Communist scum do in the media.

Look at an operation like Politico, for example. Totally online, it's just a site, their packaging/design is superb, they started fairly recently, now I see their "editors" on TV everywhere being asked their opinion. If you duplicated their operation, you could have your people on TV pushing your talking points, infiltrating the main stream. Professionalism is the facade that can sucker almost anyone.

My point is simply that the cultural institutions(media, entertainment, education) were taken over long ago, and it is really not that hard for a focused group of individuals to take it back. Of course I'm not gonna help any of you because you're all morons. But that's how you beat "the media". Become the media.

There is so much truth in this. I have been arguing this for so long to many - the problem is that conservatives by their very nature are not into manipulation, they think there is something wrong with not being straightforward. As a result they get no where except mutual agreement within their own ideological ranks.

Liberals in the other hand have a relative sense of morals and ethics and therefore have no problem understanding mass manipulation.

I wish more conservatives understood this - it is so simple.

 

[MSTeacher]

which was enabled by congress. minor detail.

not the full story. minor detail

that's exactly what should be done

hurr

in fact they matter more in a recession.

durr

which are caused by....?

easy one. i promise.

yeah. explaining the ebb and flow of markets is easy.

because selective crony regulation and deregulation hasn't decreased rights, liberty, and freedom of choice at all. No sir.

ftfy

 

[DevMang]

You can add US News to the list of media outlets in the Ron Paul blackout. COMPLETELY back fired on them. LoL

 

[500WA]

Ron Paul 2012 Official Campaign WebsiteRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee

 

[lukep]

BWAHAHA!

That's priceless.

Someone could make a good little mint right now if they put together all of the evidence of Media Blackout on RP past and present... The views would be off the hook!

(Edit: I don't want to do it myself because I'm a scaredy-pants little wussie tho.)

 

[BigWill]

Hitler's avowed aim was to establish a New Order of absolute Nazi German hegemony in continental Europe. His foreign and domestic policies had the goal of seizing Lebensraum (living space) for the Aryan people. This included the rearmament of Germany, resulting in the invasion of Poland by the Wehrmacht in September 1939, leading to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.[2]

Does this sound familiar?

 

[500WA]

Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

I'm not even one of the RonPaul fanbois on here but I'm starting to get really angry. It's really sad that a satire media show is the only honest source out there. We the people are being IGNORED.

And this is what he has to deal with when he does get airtime:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6ucRXyMQA]Ron Paul : The Most Important Thing is The President Tells The Truth! - YouTube[/ame]

He still knocked it out of the park despite her blatant baiting attempts.

 

[Moxie]

Look at an operation like Politico, for example. Totally online, it's just a site,

It's a free newspaper that is distributed 5 times a week in Washington when congress is in session.

the problem is that conservatives by their very nature are not into manipulation, they think there is something wrong with not being straightforward.

The "conservative" media? The clip in the first post gave an example of how they often operate. Fox News has argued in court that they have a right to distort. Internal memos and comments from people who have worked there make it clear that they have an agenda. Most talk radio is the same and don't forget all the chain emails about how Obama likes to kill puppies and such.

Manipulation is also huge for politicians from all parties and their campaign teams. A 50 page study was done on Karl Rove's tactics : http://www.webster.edu/medialiteracy/journal/FINALKARLROVE.pdf (PDF FILE)

 

[REIMktg]

It's a free newspaper that is distributed 5 times a week in Washington when congress is in session.



The "conservative" media? The clip in the first post gave an example of how they often operate. Fox News has argued in court that they have a right to distort. Internal memos and comments from people who have worked there make it clear that they have an agenda. Most talk radio is the same and don't forget all the chain emails about how Obama likes to kill puppies and such.

Manipulation is also huge for politicians from all parties and their campaign teams. A 50 page study was done on Karl Rove's tactics : http://www.webster.edu/medialiteracy/journal/FINALKARLROVE.pdf (PDF FILE)

Fox is not conservative. I see how a liberal would think this but they are not conservative - they are simply not as left wing as the rest of the media.

Bush was not a conservative - so why are you pointing out Rove?

 

[Hammi]

...

It's a free newspaper that is distributed 5 times a week in Washington when congress is in session.



The "conservative" media? The clip in the first post gave an example of how they often operate. Fox News has argued in court that they have a right to distort. Internal memos and comments from people who have worked there make it clear that they have an agenda. Most talk radio is the same and don't forget all the chain emails about how Obama likes to kill puppies and such.

Manipulation is also huge for politicians from all parties and their campaign teams. A 50 page study was done on Karl Rove's tactics : http://www.webster.edu/medialiteracy/journal/FINALKARLROVE.pdf (PDF FILE)

rove is a neocon. the neocon's are not conservatives. They are the intellectual grandchildren of wilson's "spreading democracy" philosophy.

 

[Moxie]

Fox is not conservative. I see how a liberal would think this but they are not conservative - they are simply not as left wing as the rest of the media.

Bush was not a conservative - so why are you pointing out Rove?

What type of conservative are you referring to then, as I assume it is also not of the Ron Paul variety?