How does the government create jobs?

BigWill said:
Somalia is a barren wasteland, they have very little exports, they product almost nothing. Not very easy to farm in a shitty desert with low soil nutrition.
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Ok, how about Nigeria then? It's estimated they have over 38 billion barrels of oil, which is more than enough to get the free market capitalists involved. Yet, the country is a pile of shit. ExxonMobil won't even transport employees via land anymore. If you want to leave the compound, you're going by helicopter.

Oh right, it's just multi-national corps raping & pillaging a poverty sticken country, but less government is still the way forward.

But wait, that's what happened in the US too! Multi-national corps raped & pillaged the country, plus used the power of government to help them. Deregulation, tax breaks, free trade agreements, incentives to setup shop overseas, etc.

I don't understand why you guys who constantly preach about the free market are pissed off at the current state of affairs, because you got exactly what you asked for. Iceland is a prime example. Govt deregulated, multi-national corps came in like vultures, and ran the entire country into the ground. Exact same happened in the US, except the US has a much thicker thread to hang onto.

In comparison, you have countries like Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, and so on, who are surviving quite well throughout this economic calamity. Why? Strict government regulations. That's the same reason why many SE Asia countries are booming right now, and quickly advancing on the world economic stage.

So to sit there and blindly say government hinders economic progress, and the free market should be the be-all-and-end-all approach is simply ludicrous, and nothing more than media brainwashing.
 


Talking out your hat on a few points there. Many SE Asia countries have a very small body of regulations and what they do have is not strictly enforced. As Marc Faber put it, they may not have the same sort of democracy that America has but they are a lot more free.

And ditto my previous comments about government confiscating capital in Nigeria. The companies that wreck havoc in any country do it with government protection.
 
Corruption is the word you are looking for, the things that happened in the States and in more extreme examples, Nigeria are from corruption.

Kiopa_Matt said:
Ok, how about Nigeria then? It's estimated they have over 38 billion barrels of oil, which is more than enough to get the free market capitalists involved. Yet, the country is a pile of shit. ExxonMobil won't even transport employees via land anymore. If you want to leave the compound, you're going by helicopter.

Oh right, it's just multi-national corps raping & pillaging a poverty sticken country, but less government is still the way forward.

But wait, that's what happened in the US too! Multi-national corps raped & pillaged the country, plus used the power of government to help them. Deregulation, tax breaks, free trade agreements, incentives to setup shop overseas, etc.

I don't understand why you guys who constantly preach about the free market are pissed off at the current state of affairs, because you got exactly what you asked for. Iceland is a prime example. Govt deregulated, multi-national corps came in like vultures, and ran the entire country into the ground. Exact same happened in the US, except the US has a much thicker thread to hang onto.

In comparison, you have countries like Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, and so on, who are surviving quite well throughout this economic calamity. Why? Strict government regulations. That's the same reason why many SE Asia countries are booming right now, and quickly advancing on the world economic stage.

So to sit there and blindly say government hinders economic progress, and the free market should be the be-all-and-end-all approach is simply ludicrous, and nothing more than media brainwashing.
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Dossey02 said:
...infrastructure spending is the easiest, fastest, and best way to create jobs. Despite what many will tell you, the private sector cannot, and will not, fund infrastructure.
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Looks like someone here doesn't read the google blog!

Have you forgotten already the bazillions that google pumps into various different infrastructures each and every year?

Energy, internet access, open-source operating systems, transportation (yes, really!) and education have each received more money for infrastructure from Google in 2011 than they have from the US of A.

And that's just 1 company.

FUCK the government infrastructure... Not since Ike's time have they done anything important for any of us.

I mean seriously, could you imagine how long it would take for Uncle Sam to put Gigabit Internet into my home?

Google Literally WILL have it there in 2012. I live in KC and it's a done deal.
 
megatabbers said:
Technically, the government can create "jobs". But at the end of the day, it's not about jobs, it's about production. The government can't produce shit and that's what ultimately counts.

Otherwise, we could just run up the printing press to "stimulate the economy", hire half the country to dig holes and the other half to fill them back up. Everyone would have a job, but there would be no net production.
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"At one of our dinners, Milton [Friedman] recalled traveling to an Asian country in the 1960s and visiting a worksite where a new canal was being built. He was shocked to see that, instead of modern tractors and earth movers, the workers had shovels. He asked why there were so few machines. The government bureaucrat explained: 'You don't understand. This is a jobs program.' To which Milton replied: 'Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it's jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.'"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355131075164361.html
 
TVensor said:
"At one of our dinners, Milton [Friedman] recalled traveling to an Asian country in the 1960s and visiting a worksite where a new canal was being built. He was shocked to see that, instead of modern tractors and earth movers, the workers had shovels. He asked why there were so few machines. The government bureaucrat explained: 'You don't understand. This is a jobs program.' To which Milton replied: 'Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it's jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.'"
Missing Milton: Who Will Speak For Free Markets? - WSJ.com
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Great quote and article!
 
tangy said:
I'm Canadian, but according to about 50% of the bullshit I heard during your recent 'debt ceiling crisis' the government doesn't create jobs.

Only people making >$200,000 a year are 'job creators'. As a matter of fact, about 50% of the American politicians I hear speak seem to think that every single person that makes above this figure is a job creator.
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This is a basic logical insight.
 
Government indirectly creates jobs by creating a business friendly environment and certainty in the economy. Obama is anti-both, a fukin retard, and needs to be taken out of office. The dude is literally Jimmy Carter 2.0 Everyone liked Jimmy Carter personallu, but he sucked as president.

Obama is a great salesmen though.
 
chini said:
Government indirectly creates jobs by creating a business friendly environment and certainty in the economy. Obama is anti-both, a fukin retard, and needs to be taken out of office. The dude is literally Jimmy Carter 2.0 Everyone liked Jimmy Carter personallu, but he sucked as president.

Obama is a great salesmen though.
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Small nit to pick, the government doesn't "create" anything. The environment is business friendly when they stay the f'k out of the way and don't interfere with markets. When the gov starts trying to tweak things to improve the biz environ it adds noise to the market signals and screws things up.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Ok, how about Nigeria then? It's estimated they have over 38 billion barrels of oil, which is more than enough to get the free market capitalists involved. Yet, the country is a pile of shit. ExxonMobil won't even transport employees via land anymore. If you want to leave the compound, you're going by helicopter.

Oh right, it's just multi-national corps raping & pillaging a poverty sticken country, but less government is still the way forward.
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What is a country? What is a government? Those are rhetorical questions. The point is that I would imagine that the current government in Nigeria is also complicit in the raping & pillaging. If you grow the Nigerian government, you are probably growing a puppet government, and in effect giving more power to the outside corps behind them.

Free markets do not eliminate bullies, but bullying is not really free market either.

In comparison, you have countries like Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, and so on, who are surviving quite well throughout this economic calamity. Why? Strict government regulations. That's the same reason why many SE Asia countries are booming right now, and quickly advancing on the world economic stage.
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Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms

You may want to look at those rankings. Click on a nation for more details on each.
 
So what do you call it when the government takes some of our tax money and then uses that to pay someone in the military, or public education, or the post office?

Don't get me wrong - I agree with everyone that says that the private sector could do it all better but I'm still trying to understand how someone can say that the gov't doesn't create jobs when they have a 4,000,000 person payroll.
 
The "job creators" lol are paying the lowest amount in taxes in our countrys history right now and the corporations are right behind them, so where are the jobs?

Corporations are investing overseas and sending jobs overseas, I believe this is their right to do as business owners. We all do it here on this forum outsourcing our shit to india all day long.

Government needs to create an environment that is conducive to job creation for those same companies here in the states. What exactly that will require I don't know but Im sure some of you have some ideas.
 
teck112 said:
Government needs to create an environment that is conducive to job creation for those same companies here in the states. What exactly that will require I don't know but Im sure some of you have some ideas.
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Here's one:


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Kidding.


Or am I? ;)
 
BradleyT2p2 said:
So what do you call it when the government takes some of our tax money and then uses that to pay someone in the military, or public education, or the post office?

Don't get me wrong - I agree with everyone that says that the private sector could do it all better but I'm still trying to understand how someone can say that the gov't doesn't create jobs when they have a 4,000,000 person payroll.
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Technically yes, the government can use the people's money to create a post office job position for everyone. Real job creation though, can usually be traced back to demand for a product or service. Even if we assume that the current post office is efficiently run, anymore new employees than what is needed to meet public demand becomes a net waste in terms of the country's overall productivity.
 
teck112 said:
Corporations are investing overseas and sending jobs overseas, I believe this is their right to do as business owners. We all do it here on this forum outsourcing our shit to india all day long.
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They are creating jobs where it is most efficient to do so. If it was profitable for them to create jobs in the US, they would. The question you should be asking, is why isn't it profitable to hire American workers?

teck112 said:
Government needs to create an environment that is conducive to job creation for those same companies here in the states. What exactly that will require I don't know but Im sure some of you have some ideas.
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The environment is easy to create. Lower taxes and regulation, and there will be an economic boom. As long as government is competing with the private sector for resources, and the private sector has to earn returns, and the government can just confiscate them, the private sector will always be locked into a losing battle.

Government is a net cost, NOT a net benefit, to society.
 
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