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That's not true though. You are applying all 89 deaths to the sticky accelerator pedals when the black boxes found that people were holding down the pedal. The NHSTA confirmed that.
We know how many people crashed. We know how many people died. We don't know how many people died because of a sticky accelerator pedal. You can't call those the same number.
Additionally, the pedal was never believed to lock in a wide-open position. The recall was for accelerator pedals that were slow to return to idle. That isn't going to cause a car to accelerate out of control. But someone who is confused and holding down the pedal will.
Why do you think there were 3 reported cases of this in 2009 and then hundreds in 2010? Do you think all the cars exhibited the manufacturing defect in synchronization?
Yeah we don't know how many of those 89 deaths were caused by sticking pedals. We know that 4 of them were blamed on floor mats and we know about the 3 of them that you say were confirmed to be drivers hitting the gas instead of the brake. That leaves 82 deaths still unaccounted for, and very few of those were in 2010.
I believe the number of reported instances probably did go up in 2010 because of the publicity. Once police, accident investigators, mechanics etc. know what to look for, it stands to reason that more would be uncovered. But if you're trying to conclude that all (or even most) of these reports are simply in peoples imaginations you would still need to account for the cases going back to 2002. They have known about this for years and only recently received publicity from it. Most of those 89 deaths happened before any of this recent publicity.
i thought the chrysler commercial was an amazing commercial with a powerful message. too bad the product it is advertising is a terrible car and has to be photographed at certain angles to avoid showing how aesthetically disappointing it is. if they just pitched the 300 again, it wouldve been the perfect commercial because gussying up a sebring isnt motor city tough - it's what got detroit (and specifically Chrysler) in trouble in the first place.
1. Please. Why do you see so many old hot rods at drag strips still racing, or people driving old 1970s cars around still? Cubans still have nothing but 1950s GM vehicles. The 'bad quality' era was the 80s-mid 90s.
2. Cadillac and Lincoln were the standard for luxury. BMW couldn't hold a candle to them back in the day.
3. Cadillac CTS-V just set the record for fastest production sedan at the Nurburgring. We can go to the Ford GT-40 as well, the car that beat Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini. Corvette? Viper? American dragsters?
4. Tesla Roadster. Ford Focus Electric (charges 2x faster than the Nissan leaf as well)
5. Buick is one of the most popular cars in China, you do realize. GM has a 13.4% market share in China. "Sales of Buick models in China grew 59.6 percent year on year to 447,011 units or more than triple the number sold in the U.S".
On the chinese issue, you're a bit out of date. You assume the old china is still just a big sweatshop full of half-witted children.
When WalMart filled up with crap made by them you were right. Which decade was that in?
Since then China has put out 25 engineers for every single one we graduated. 25 to 1. They make the GOOD shit now, primarily.
Cases in point; They now have:
1. The World's fastest supercomputer.
2. The world's largest wind farm & wind turbine industry.
3. The world's largest Solar Array, Hydro Dam, and other green power sources....
4. The world's fastest trains, with plans to drive them from London to Singapore this decade.
5. And now it is speculated the world's most powerful stealth jet fighter, too.
They clearly aren't waiting for america to retake it's former glory; they've already stolen that and are moving ahead just fine without us.
Cars won't be a problem for them. Lots of people to make them, lots of people to buy them, and lots and lots and lots of engineers better than ours to design them.
Touche, PJ. I see you've done your homework.
Now, are you going to claim that Detroit made the best cars in the world in every one of these areas?
Okay, was it just me or did emenem look a little embarrassed when turns to "look the camera in the eye" at the end of the commercial?
Regardless, this looks like it was just a "brand repair" effort - trying rebuild their image. and counter all the animosity toward big bidness in general:
"Yup, we tough. We are workin class, no nonsense and we wear wife-beater t-shirts on the weekends. No overpaid hyper-bonused, clueless suits here. We got grease under our nails, tatoos, and busted knuckles." *sniff* (Strike a posture)
Yup. I'm buyin it.
Regardless, this looks like it was just a "brand repair" effort - trying rebuild their image. and counter all the animosity toward big bidness in general:
"Yup, we tough. We are workin class, no nonsense and we wear wife-beater t-shirts on the weekends. No overpaid hyper-bonused, clueless suits here. We got grease under our nails, tatoos, and busted knuckles." *sniff* (Strike a posture)
Yup. I'm buyin it.
No, because it simply wouldn't be true. But saying "all American cars, are, always have been, and always will be garbage" is patently false too.
Now. Just because you shop at Walmart does make their shit good quality.
Do you still think it's fair to imply they work as well as US brakes?
Thread within a thread. The WF Way.
I also noticed this commercial.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQWG__N9so0"]YouTube - Kim Kardashian's SKECHERS Super Bowl Commercial - Break Up 2 Shape Up[/ame]
I also noticed this commercial.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQWG__N9so0"]YouTube - Kim Kardashian's SKECHERS Super Bowl Commercial - Break Up 2 Shape Up[/ame]
I guess a comment this baseless is suitable for your desperation in this thread. So far we have gone from
"Japanese brakes don't work"
to
"Toyota has settled lawsuits"
to
"Findings will be released tomorrow"
to
"These aren't the findings you're looking for"
to
"Well we're just not sure why those people crashed and died"
I'm continually dumbfounded by most people's inability to change their own worldview. It is as though you've picked a side and you're defending it just because it's your side. I'm only arguing for critical thinking, not Toyota. The factual evidence is growing overwhelmingly in their favor and I'm not convinced anyone has crashed and died because of their cars.
I guess that feeling is rooted in self defense. You probably attached the idea of self to beliefs and since I'm attacking the belief I must be attacking you. I'm not.
Go ahead and drop another mildly related non-sequitor if it makes you feel better. I'll be in my ivory tower of people who use their noggins :thumbsup:
I'm still waiting for you to explain why there are so many fiery deaths in Toyota's and not in other cars. Is it because the pedal really is sticking, or is it because Toyota drivers aren't as bright as other drivers, and therefore press the gas instead of the brake?
Dude, we get it - you drive a Toyota. It's alright, I'm not bashing you for liking Toyota's, just trying to figure out what you think the problem is then. Or is it just a figment of people's imaginations?
I explained it in my first post on the subject. People were pressing the gas instead of the brake. Moreover, people die in cars of all makes and models every single day. The concern is if Toyota manufacturing contributed to the problem. All research points to the conclusion that no, it didn't.
I don't. I drive a 3-series. That's actually not related to anything I've posted though, other than confirming you are unable to actual respond to the contentions in my posts.
For probably the fifth time in this thread, it is a figment of people's imaginations. One person put the wrong floor mat in their car and got the pedal stuck. Around the same time, Toyota issued a recall for accelerator pedals that were slow to return to idle. The media hysterics surrounding these events scared people into believing their cars were driving out of their control. Some of those people were probably faking it for the sake of a lawsuit, too. All investigation points to Toyotas not accelerating out of control or having faulty brakes as you implied.
I'm not sure why you changed my post to "drivel" in the quotation. Did it make you feel good? Did you think other forum members would read it and think to themselves "Oh that Unarmed Gunman got Dullspace real good there!" They would probably think that if you organized your thoughts and made a well-reasoned reply.
I want to see you succeed here. Your success is not mutually exclusive of my success. We can both be good intelligent human beings having a discussion. Please prove me right. This is your chance. Seize the moment. You can resort to another ad hominem attack or link to a non-sequitor. Or instead you can abandon your first instinct and act on rationality. Go for it!
Three (3) people were pressing the gas instead of the brake, not all of them. Are you suggesting that all of the people going back to 2002 that have experienced the acceleration problem in Toyota's were all due to them pressing the gas instead of the brake. If so, why is that tendency more prevalent in Toyota drivers?
I actually hoped you drove something nicer than a 3-series, but I don't judge people by what they drive so it doesn't really matter. At least you don't drive a Toyota though, so I expect to see you around here for a long time to come.
I agree that some od the increase in the cases over the last year or so may have been due to that. The problem is, these problems go back long before the media actually publicized what was happening. How do you explain all of the deaths being blamed on sudden acceleration in Toyota models - most of which occurred long before any publicity?
It was to save space. I try to only quote relevant parts of a post, and that particular one didn't have any.
Likewise Cyrus, I've got faith in you.
We're in complete agreement then.
My only reason to 'tear detroit down' above was because some sad people on this board seem to think detroit is incapable of making anything other than the best cars in the world. The truth is clearly in between.
Dullspace; we're being trolled. UG is just having fun with us, it has to be.
I just can't understand how anyone could hold so steadfastedly to the myth and even say things like "At least you don't drive a Toyota though, so I expect to see you around here for a long time to come" -In the face of such overwhelming proof.
He even went out of the way to say: "The problem is, these problems go back long before the media actually publicized what was happening" -As if cars of every make had never done such things before 2009. -Even after my chart in post #72 above!
Conclusion: It's IMPOSSIBLE that UG believes what he's arguing about.
Well played, Trollboy. Well played indeed.
I just can't understand how anyone could hold so steadfastedly to the myth and even say things like "At least you don't drive a Toyota though, so I expect to see you around here for a long time to come" -In the face of such overwhelming proof.
He even went out of the way to say: "The problem is, these problems go back long before the media actually publicized what was happening" -As if cars of every make had never done such things before 2009. -Even after my chart in post #72 above!
Conclusion: It's IMPOSSIBLE that UG believes what he's arguing about.
Well played, Trollboy. Well played indeed.