IM and Morality

Kyoun, you're dilemma is purely academic.
In order to rip people off, you actually have to successfully sell something.
Apparently 95% of new IMers can't even make positive ROI after months of trying.
I'd at least get to that stage before asking yourself these questions.
 


kyoun3 said:
Well what about lying?

Say, one has a landing page that says "Buy my Ebook I'll show you how to make 300,000$ in a day" - and after someone buys, - you're gonna say. what? ... ha! It's his own fault for being such a gullible asshole.

I don't know, do we really wanna live in a world like that?

P.S.: I'm not saying that's you. I'm giving an exaggerated example.
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There are many different angles you could look at it. But like ANY other business, there is a good and bad way to conduct yourself. Clean business models and dirty business models.

You come in painting a broad brush across the ENTIRE industry, therefore calling us ALL immoral (through the guise of asking us "how we feel about the question") and expect not to get backlash? Please.

Many guys and gals here don't buy or sell that kind of stuff. Many do.

And then ULTIMATELY, it's just like, HEY if you don't like it then don't do it. Simple.
 
Chianti said:
Kyoun, just ignore these people. You're right - we Europeans have higher moral standards than these American folk, and capitalism isn't as rampant in Europe as it is over there.

You're just going to have to stoop down to their level I'm afraid. Don't worry though, because most of the people you'll be ripping off will be American, so there's an upside.

I've got an e-book that might help you if you want - 'get over your morality in 3 easy steps' for 9.99€.
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Ha! Well, I don't feel good ripping off anyone, European or American. :)

I just found an inspiring post by Rexibit in the other thread. Seems like there are others who care about these issues!

I'll quote it here:

I only promote products that I feel would actually help the person. For instance, workout programs, information that would educate someone, etc.

Granted, sometimes they are in a gray area. If they got some benefit out of the product instead of just wasting money, then I can live with that.

As for your particular e-cig example: did they get off cigarettes for a couple weeks? That's getting them one step closer mentally to making the plunge. Maybe they'll think they are healthier while taking them. Even if they slip, they will have that nagging them in the back of their mind, eventually leading them to fully quitting later.

The point is, you can't expect every product to solve everyone's problem. That's for them to carry out. You can only position the product in front of the person.
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Just find a product that you believe in and that you don't feel is a ripoff for people to buy... problem solved.

The reason you're getting all the GTFO responses is because honestly no one cares about your morales, this question would be better in the Warrior Forum... we're here to make money :)
 
sbp8610 said:
Just find a product that you believe in and that you don't feel is a ripoff for people to buy... problem solved.

The reason you're getting all the GTFO responses is because honestly no one cares about your morales, this question would be better in the Warrior Forum... we're here to make money :)
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Short, sweet, TRUTH.
 
Chianti said:
Kyoun, just ignore these people. You're right - we Europeans have higher moral standards than these American folk, and capitalism isn't as rampant in Europe as it is over there.

You're just going to have to stoop down to their level I'm afraid. Don't worry though, because most of the people you'll be ripping off will be American, so there's an upside.

I've got an e-book that might help you if you want - 'get over your morality in 3 easy steps' for 9.99€.
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Shut the fuck up.
 
> Just got the joke haha, did not have my coffee yet

e-book? 'Your coffee addiction and you: set yourself free' (5.99$)
 
kyoun3 said:
Hey! Thank you for the attacks and the suggestions to the mods to ban me. As I said in the first post, I'm not here to judge anyone or call your practices immoral. I'm merely asking how do you deal with these questions.
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"they say money doesn't buy happiness, but look at the fucking smile on my face: ear to ear baby"
 
kyoun3 said:
By the way, if anyone is interested in this topic, I found a thread on Reddit if you haven't seen it already "I made $622,322.96 in 2009 from affiliate marketing. Ask me anything." - many people asked the same questions I'm asking.
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Funny thing is, I used this as an excuse around the same time last year. Never made a dime till I finally hit the "reset" button on my morals. I had a fucked up moral compass before though, like way too much on the goody tooshoes side. I wouldn't even sell a customer a subpar product even though they loved what they were getting - it had to be to MY retard high standards. Yeah lets say I wouldn't have gotten far.

Go read 48 laws of power, then ask yourself if the "nice" guy ever wins in life.
 
seriously if you ask yourself any of these questions... go work at a non profit for someone else... you need to separate business and life
 
Is delivering leads to auto insurance companies immoral? Debt consolidation? As seen on TV products (shamwow, etc.)? Dating leads? 2 million other kinds of leads?

CPA networks are crawling with offers like this. Traditional affiliate networks like CJ have tons of per-sale and lead offers for major brands - I still have steady income from CJ offers that I've been running for a few years now, on paid traffic. It's a myth that you can't make money with "moral" offers.
 
kyoun3 said:
I guess my question to you is, - do you think there is something like ethical online marketing?
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Online marketing is ethical. Whether people are choosing to buy crap products through your links or not has nothing to do with it.

Do you mean, is there such thing as online marketing where you try to decide for your customers what they want to buy rather than promoting what's profitable? ...Not really, anyone who attempts that tends to lose all their money and they don't stay in the biz long.

People who have the luxury of picking and choosing what to promote tend to have been in the business for long enough to be good at what they're doing and have some extra cash banked. Good luck getting to that point if you're so picky about what to promote.
 
kyoun3 said:
Hey! Thank you for the attacks and the suggestions to the mods to ban me. As I said in the first post, I'm not here to judge anyone or call your practices immoral. I'm merely asking how do you deal with these questions.
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It's not like it wasn't a good question it's just the venue you chose to bring it up in. Think of asking a lake full of piranha's whether we should really be eating meat because of the amount of cholesterol. Once you have tasted filet mignon celery sticks for dinner becomes a really tough sell.

And where the hell is summit when moral questions such as this need to be answered?
 
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