Why developers, why?

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GroverMMS

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I guess I didn't think that this was that difficult of a problem to deal with, but is there a reason that 90% of the developers I work with can't for the life of them code to spec what I design? I've made many many designs, but literally only a 1 or 2 of them actually look like what they're supposed to. How difficult is it really to code something to spec? Is it my designing? What can I do to help a developer and make his life easier?

I have one piece left of my project, and am starting to get antsy, but no one can make it look right and it's driving me insane.
 


1. They are incompetent or
2. They don't give a shit or
C. Both

I'm a software engineer for web apps and I make it a point to give them exactly what they ask for. That way when the usability folks get the 'red ass' because the design sucks, nobody is pointing a finger at me. hahaha
 
What kind of people are you working with? Offshoring? Is there a communication barrier? I've been doing this 20+ years and I've never seem to have a problem.
 
Usually people that are contacts that I've known and worked with before. It sort of just dawned on me that maybe my designs were just too hard to work with? There's always, ALWAYS, an alignment issue and nothing is ever where it's supposed to be. Bums me out.
 
An alignment issue?
I'm no big time coder but I do all my own sites and haven't even had this problem.
If it's just putting things in their place it should be pretty simple css stuff.
I say get a new coder but again, I'm not a "real coder" so I could be wrong.
 
You mention alignment issues, so I'm assuming you are getting poor translation of your designs into HTML/CSS. The majority of developers don't pay attention to proper UI design. Get someone else and let them know upfront that you want pixel-perfect implementations of your designs. A developer with strong HTML/CSS skills will be able to do it without question.
 
Yeah, I guess "pixel perfect" would be the keywords here. I'm about to just learn html/css if it takes care of the problem, but one guy can only know so much.

I'm a designer dammit!
 
Whenever I have an alignment issue (usually with IE..) I pay someone like $10-$15 to fix it, and make sure it looks perfect on all modern browsers.
 
Problem is I'm outta cash. I've literally worked on this project for 2 months, 75+ hour work weeks, and this is the last piece before it goes live. Not a single human can get it right. Kinda thing that makes a man go bald by removing his own hair in frustration. IT's probably only 30 minutes worth of work, too.
 
audax said:
You mention alignment issues, so I'm assuming you are getting poor translation of your designs into HTML/CSS. The majority of developers don't pay attention to proper UI design. Get someone else and let them know upfront that you want pixel-perfect implementations of your designs. A developer with strong HTML/CSS skills will be able to do it without question.
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this guy knows his shit. hire him. lol
 
You have to remember that there are still large limitations with online design/development and sometimes you cannot be perfect on all levels you have to sacrifice a little here and there but a good programmer should be able to tear down most of the barriers with a little thought process.

If your expecting everything to be 100% pixel by pixel exactly how you designed it then your asking too much and its not the fault of the programmer.

There will always be barriers with developers and designers because one person wants something exactly like they stated and the other knows they have to make a little sacrifice.

The best thing to do is to both understand that if its too hard or too out of reach for one then the other can make some small tweaks, both working together and explaining your reasoning behind why you want it a particular way will work out better then one person saying it has to be perfectly like this.

I've been a online developer for a long time and run across things like this from time to time and mostly it can be solved by explaining to the other person why you think it has to be like this then they can tell you why it would be easier to change this part or that part a little bit.
 
I think you are being way too anal if you are worrying about "pixel perfection". You are the kind of guy who does need to learn to deliver css to yourself and not hire anyone ... I bet you've driven more than one person crazy in your lifetime. How about asking your spouse or your psychologist if you have any OCD tendencies.

If that's not the problem you should roll up a fatty and relax, no user will stop using your site because a pixel is out of place. It's simply not that important
 
crossfittn said:
this guy knows his shit. hire him. lol
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GroverMMS said:
Problem is I'm outta cash.
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lol.

Aequitas said:
You have to remember...
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Thanks, Aequitas. I'm a really easy guy to reason with, so this has never been a problem. And you're right, I've studied little about css/html and I guess I can see where there would be limitations. However, then I see things like:
CSS-Tricks >> VIDEOS >> Screencast #1
and think well gee, why isn't every coder doing this? I'm sure what seems simple to one person however, is a different story for someone else.

casidnet said:
Care to show an example of what you're having problems with?
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Well, the problem is practically moot by this point, because it been taken down, and reworked over and over again due to some server issues, but I can show the design:
Design
There's no watermark on it so Copyright 2008 Blogslol.com if you steal I'll hunt you down, etc., etc. this is also a first run of the design and not that special.
 
erect said:
I think you are being way too anal if you are worrying about "pixel perfection". You are the kind of guy who does need to learn to deliver css to yourself and not hire anyone ... I bet you've driven more than one person crazy in your lifetime. How about asking your spouse or your psychologist if you have any OCD tendencies.

If that's not the problem you should roll up a fatty and relax, no user will stop using your site because a pixel is out of place. It's simply not that important
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Well, no, we're talking about larger problems here. Like, to the point of something being out of place and someone else looking at it and saying, "that's poor design"

I wouldn't mind at all if the final product looked good.
 
GroverMMS said:
Well, the problem is practically moot by this point, because it been taken down, and reworked over and over again due to some server issues, but I can show the design:
Design
There's no watermark on it so Copyright 2008 Blogslol.com if you steal I'll hunt you down, etc., etc. this is also a first run of the design and not that special.
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They couldn't get this pixel-perfect? You do need new coders.
 
GroverMMS said:
Well, the problem is practically moot by this point, because it been taken down, and reworked over and over again due to some server issues, but I can show the design:
Design
There's no watermark on it so Copyright 2008 Blogslol.com if you steal I'll hunt you down, etc., etc. this is also a first run of the design and not that special.
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If they can't code that design, I really hope you're not paying them much...
 
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