What is the proper social signal SEO strategy right now?

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anthony1617

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I'm trying to rank my first site at the moment; and there's a bunch of source wave videos that talk about the importance of social signals. The only obvious things I can think of are twitter retweets of a link and a facebook page with likes you buy.

I probably already fucked up the ranking with terrible links but I'm on page 80 right now, and I'm not sure why I'm not higher; I want to try adding social links before I start over.

What is your SEO strategy in regards to social signals?
 


honestly yes I would do when they know what to do with that, good luck.
 
CCarter said:
If your SEO strategy is derived from listening to Alex Becker, you're in some trouble - hence why you are on page 80.​
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Please link me to an seo course that works, if you think the stuff becker's talking about doesn't. I bought a program called nichesiteformula from john gibb if you've heard of him, too.

I can't find anything good though. But I'd be happy to put 200 dollars down on a course if you could send me in the right direction
 
anthony1617 said:
Please link me to an seo course that works, if you think the stuff becker's talking about doesn't. I bought a program called nichesiteformula from john gibb if you've heard of him, too.

I can't find anything good though. But I'd be happy to put 200 dollars down on a course if you could send me in the right direction
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The problem is you think you are going to learn information from these "SEO" courses. The way Alex Becker and these guys make their money is from selling courses... to newbies.

The money they are touting is the revenue from newbies, not revenue from doing SEO. If they were "great" or had a "secret sauce" for SEO, why would they be selling it in a course? Why not sit back - rank and bank, and not deal with the headaches of newbies?

Their business model, the "course" business model is to make money off of newbies. Everybody here has seen it a thousand and one times, a newbie comes in - buys a bunch of courses, then realize they all said nothing, but they wasted money on it. Visit the Enlightened Section of this forum and see what people talk about in there to drive traffic and revenue. Maybe SEO is not the best route for you, maybe PPV or PPC.

What type of backlinks are you creating - and "social signals" is not a fucking backlink strategy. Google's SERPs and ranking in them is still based on one thing - backlinks, serious backlinks, no amount of "likes" or shit is going to "increase" your rankings, no matter what people are trying to sell you or convince you that it does work.

Here is the logic problem you are overlooking - if Source Wave and all these SEO courses worked - why are you here asking questions about ranking? Shouldn't all the "ranking" material and instructions you needed, which you paid for, be in those courses? If not, what did you pay for?​
 
CCarter said:
The problem is you think you are going to learn information from these "SEO" courses. The way Alex Becker and these guys make their money is from selling courses... to newbies.

The money they are touting is the revenue from newbies, not revenue from doing SEO. If they were "great" or had a "secret sauce" for SEO, why would they be selling it in a course? Why not sit back - rank and bank, and not deal with the headaches of newbies?

Their business model, the "course" business model is to make money off of newbies. Everybody here has seen it a thousand and one times, a newbie comes in - buys a bunch of courses, then realize they all said nothing, but they wasted money on it. Visit the Enlightened Section of this forum and see what people talk about in there to drive traffic and revenue. Maybe SEO is not the best route for you, maybe PPV or PPC.

What type of backlinks are you creating - and "social signals" is not a fucking backlink strategy. Google's SERPs and ranking in them is still based on one thing - backlinks, serious backlinks, no amount of "likes" or shit is going to "increase" your rankings, no matter what people are trying to sell you or convince you that it does work.

Here is the logic problem you are overlooking - if Source Wave and all these SEO courses worked - why are you here asking questions about ranking? Shouldn't all the "ranking" material and instructions you needed, which you paid for, be in those courses? If not, what did you pay for?​
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I don't know how to rank yet but I'm sure its possible. Obviously you don't go after searches that there are no competitors in- I know someone is making money. And whats more, I know its possible to rank because the competition has like 8 backlinks and they're #1.

There is no secret sauce. Authority plus relevance ranks; its simple. Becker just suggested that if you have social links it makes you seem more legit to Google, and that makes sense to me, so I was just looking for some ideas on how to go about it.

The one course I do have is posting an update on social link building soon and it seems important.

The reason becker sells courses instead of doing affiliate SEO is because it is in fact more easily scalable and profitable. But he's done case studies and I'm pretty sure what he's teaching is correct. The reason I'm doing seo instead of selling courses is because I have plenty of time and I'm just trying to make 1.5k a month online.

I've looked at some of your posts in the enlightened section, and they're cool, but they just don't seem actionable to me- useful stuff that is probably correct, but I want a logical plan to follow to make money online. No offense of course.

Not many people talk about SEO in this forum but just based on logic I don't see why it wouldn't work... I have nothing to sell with PPC. I dunno.

Thanks tho
 
anthony1617 said:
I don't know how to rank yet but I'm sure its possible. Obviously you don't go after searches that there are no competitors in- I know someone is making money. And whats more, I know its possible to rank because the competition has like 8 backlinks and they're #1.

There is no secret sauce. Authority plus relevance ranks; its simple. Becker just suggested that if you have social links it makes you seem more legit to Google, and that makes sense to me, so I was just looking for some ideas on how to go about it.

The one course I do have is posting an update on social link building soon and it seems important.

The reason becker sells courses instead of doing affiliate SEO is because it is in fact more easily scalable and profitable. But he's done case studies and I'm pretty sure what he's teaching is correct. The reason I'm doing seo instead of selling courses is because I have plenty of time and I'm just trying to make 1.5k a month online.

I've looked at some of your posts in the enlightened section, and they're cool, but they just don't seem actionable to me- useful stuff that is probably correct, but I want a logical plan to follow to make money online. No offense of course.

Not many people talk about SEO in this forum but just based on logic I don't see why it wouldn't work... I have nothing to sell with PPC. I dunno.

Thanks tho
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I'm a more traditional marketer so my stuff is not going to work for you.

Going off of what you stated about Becker - if Becker's most profitable angle is to sell course, and not affiliate marketing and such - since it's less "scalable" and less "profitable" - yet he has X amount of years more then you do in internet marketing - how can you possible make it work better then he can - even though he knows it's not even profitable or scalable - using his own method?

His method is not "scalable and profitable" for affiliate marketing for HIM - yet you are trying to use his same methods?

If the goal is to just make 1.5K a month - sounds like you might want to figure out some blackhat spamming or something else - but going the SEO route is the longer route for that little of a return.

Get GSA SER, import Grindstone's list and call it a day.​
 
CCarter said:
I'm a more traditional marketer so my stuff is not going to work for you.

Going off of what you stated about Becker - if Becker's most profitable angle is to sell course, and not affiliate marketing and such - since it's less "scalable" and less "profitable" - yet he has X amount of years more then you do in internet marketing - how can you possible make it work better then he can - even though he knows it's not even profitable or scalable - using his own method?

His method is not "scalable and profitable" for affiliate marketing for HIM - yet you are trying to use his same methods?

If the goal is to just make 1.5K a month - sounds like you might want to figure out some blackhat spamming or something else - but going the SEO route is the longer route for that little of a return.

Get GSA SER, import Grindstone's list and call it a day.​
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Yes- the online guitar lessons case study site was making 1000/month alone (supposedly, but that seems reasonable to me) but he's probably making well over 100000 dollars a month from selling courses and shit. I'm not concerned with making that much.

Dunno what GSA SER is but I'll look into it. Thanks.
 
I have seen all of Becker's courses - I did not pay for them but I did watch them. They are a very good SEO 101 Class. What he talks about every one here does. Good content, not over optimizing, PBN, careful content creation. Everything he says I agree with 100%. But it is a 101 class. I am unsure how competitive your niche is but maybe you want to learn SEO for a local term. Find a local painter and start to work making him sales, each sale is worth 1000 dollars to him, but mostly think of it as your internship. Personally I would grab up a EMD - I do not give a shit what anyone says it works for local. Create a simple WP site, use Free Keyword Density Analyzer Tool to keep your density below 1% for all key words. Set up a Facebook, linkedin, twitter, G+, Yelp, all great things to learn how to do and powerful social. I am sure you do not want to sink a lot of money into this so I would start doing cheap back linking... Set up web 2.0, hit the 2.0 with GSA. I would also set up a free account at Pro Rank Tracker: The High Performance Affordable Rank Tracker! you can track 50 terms. Watch, tweak, see what works. There really is no rule book, there are general guidelines. In general, good unique content with good keyword density that is valuable to the reader is good (but I can show you places that is not the case) In general Social signals help ranking (but I see sites that crush it with NO facebook, twitter etc), Here is the one rule though... Links still run the show, good solid links rank sites... how to get them, what type work best, how quickly to get them, etc yeah that is all an art (or guess). There are some VERY bright guys on this board who for some reason share their brilliance, make this your bible, Koran, and Tipitaka. Read it every day, you will find the bright guys and then follow them, stalk them, befriend them. Good Luck.
 
Doc said:
Set up a Facebook, linkedin, twitter, G+, Yelp, all great things to learn how to do and powerful social. I am sure you do not want to sink a lot of money into this so I would start doing cheap back linking... Set up web 2.0, hit the 2.0 with GSA.
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Are those examples of web 2.0s? That word has confused me since i started. What exactly does it mean? Just social media sites, or what?
 
Thanks, Doc.

Not sure if you can help me or not, but what would be a general link campaign for just a 5 page money site trying to rank for 1 affiliate keyword?

Its really uncompetitive. Is 5 decent PR links enough? Do you need any other form of link building...?

You said its an art, and there really are no rules, and I'm sure you're correct- but I'm just looking for a general outline of a strategy. Seems like every case study I find is from 2+ years ago; are people still doing the same thing?



(In retrospect, maybe the course I bought IS shit, as CCarter said. Ah well, I learned quite a bit anyways since I'm a n00b)
 
You cant really fake social signals, only pad them and help them start off correctly.

The best way is to get deeply ingrained into your community and the users will share your content once you put it in front of their faces on Pinterest, Instagram, reddit, etc.

Stop watching those bullshit videos and guides and DO and LEARN for yourself how social signals really work.
 
dasitman said:
Are these backlink tools legit?
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If a tool is automatically creating backlinks for you, there is a 99% chance it is spamming. Meaning it's grayhat methods of creating backlinks. Depending on your knowledge or strategy, spam will work - but how long will it last is up to you.

There is also another school of thought that social signals help "muzzle" the noise of the spam.

There is another school of thought from hardcore grayhats/blackhats who just spam the tough niches with zero social signals and rank and bank for weeks/months, and but know that eventually their site will get slapped, penalized, or de-indexed.

I've seen both schools of thought work and yes, "social signal" CAN help "muzzle" the noise, but it depends on what we are calling social signals. Web 2.0 parasite properties like being discussed (tumblr, etc) are not what I would consider social signals in the traditional sense.

Going back to social signals and ranking If someone thinks 10,000,000 Facebook likes is going to count towards increasing their rankings in Google... well - guess they should test out that theory for themselves and find out...

These spamming strategies of getting in and out of a niche with no long term want or need to be in a vertical is a "Churn and Burn" strategy, they're in it for the short term money.

If you are looking to create a long term asset - I would suggest never hitting your direct money site with spam or even within the first 2-3 tiers. If you have short terms assets that you really don't care about or are in for some quick money, then yeah, go for it, but like everything in life - like riding a bicycle for the first time, you'll fail a couple of times until you get the hang of how to do it correctly.

What the OP of this thread will soon learn is simply ranking for an affiliate product's name in the SERPs - if it were really that easy since there is no competition may also mean that there are very little people looking for that product. So just ranking for an affiliate's brand is not going to work for them. But again, everything is about learning - just like riding a bicycle.

If I was OP, I'd take that 5 page site, GSA SER spam that shit, then see how much traffic I get for that term once in the top 10. If it's significant enough to matter and generate revenue $100+ a day, then I'd create a long term plan for it - non-spam route, that will slowly rise to the top, once that GSA SER version eventually gets slapped for spamming with low quality backlinks. But that's assuming the one affiliate keyword he is going after has traffic - hopefully he did his keyword research on volume for it before starting out along this journey - but again like riding a bicycle, you'll fall off a couple of times first ;)​
 
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CCarter said:
What the OP of this thread will soon learn is simply ranking for an affiliate product's name in the SERPs - if it were really that easy since there is no competition, may also mean that there are very little people looking for that product. So just ranking for an affiliate's brand is not going to work for them. But again, everything is about learning - just like riding a bicycle.
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The idea is, I rank for this product, and make maybe 3 to 4 sales a month, and just make like 150 dollars a month from this product and move onto another one. After a while you've got an actual budget to use to attack maybe 500 dollar a month niches with more PR sites or whatever, and then you just keep going.

As far as I know, once you're ranked, it doesn't take much to maintain those rankings, as long as there isn't a huge Google update or something.

I'm sure I'm not going to make more than 300 dollars a month for this product and the terms I'm trying to rank for. At the same time, I don't think it'll take much to rank in, just so far I've done a terrible job of link building and bought a package I probably shouldn't have. But yep, I'm just riding the bicycle.

Maybe you're right, maybe I'll realize later it's a much better strategy to just do PPC or something else, but for now I just want to try to rank and see what happens - see what it takes, see how much traffic I get, money I make, etc.



With that being said, I'm trying to figure out what my link building strategy should be - I really don't think it's that hard. I'm concerned that if I buy domains, though, for some reason my PR 4s might have worse links and less link juice strength than someone else's PR 4s. Or whatever.

Or if I should do something besides just drip feed PR 4/5s once a week for 5 weeks in terms of link building for this tiny niche. But maybe not. I should probably just take action and I guess I will.

You said any form of automated link building is basically spammy - but idk. Yeah, call me an idiot for reading source wave, but in Becker's guide to authority SEO he talks about using SeNuke XCR.

"Also before you ask “isn’t automated link building dangerous?”. A tool is only as effective as its owner. If you give a 12 year old a ak-47, the results will be quite different than if you gave a navy seal one.

Automated tool are extremely safe IF you use them the right way."

That guide was probably made ages ago and is probably invalid but idk. I guess the idea makes sense that basically any automated links are spammy, but I'm not sure its correct that they can't work in the foundation of an authority site.
 
Mang, it's not cool to troll people in the Newbie section. But you just don't have an idea. You have no clue what is going on and what you are doing and what you are going to do and what you should do.

Your questions and ideas belong to WaFo or BHW, not to WF. Your mindset is screwed. But you came here, and this is a damn right place.

This is what you should do right now:

Throw all your courses, videos, ebooks, WSO's, softwares to trash.
Take a week off. Literally off.
Read everything that is here in the Enlightened section.
And then, hopefully, you will get a right mindset.
Then try it, and ask questions - but this time they will be right questions, not about Senuke and PR4.

Good luck.


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