Volatility trading

Super dumb, noob question. How much capital do you need to actually be legit in the begining when you start trading? Honestly, none of this makes any sense to me at the moment but I have always been fascinated by it. Could someone get in relatively cheap and work their way up from there? What is considered cheap would also be interesting from you point of view as well, if that is something that that can be done.

Since you manage, do you deal with those sort of clients and grow their portfolio (?).

All of the positions are debits--meaning that the price you pay is the dollar requirement. 68.20 = $6,820 in capital on a spread requirement (price * index multiplier). So you're looking at $30-$50K to be properly diversified. Approx half should remain free for hedging.
 


I bought this GOOG fly about 30 minutes ago. Long the 500/540/580 for Feb27 from 29 debit. In one of my IRAs. 5% of net liq. Neutral to 540 cash.

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Out at 28.68. NDX position remains. ($55 per $100K in equity).

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I have virtually the same trade on, but it's not in r/t, so here is an NDX asym fly for Feb26 in real-time basis 4434 NDX cash. 8% of IRA account long from 82.40 (81.70 NBBO mid).

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+4.10 gain, 5% on debit. Out at 86.50 filled. I have a fill-quality algo and this was a poor entry fill so I am quick to cover. I will enter something before the close in US index.

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Badass thread but your acronym usage makes it hard to follow even with looking stuff up. If you could write out some of them the first time you use them.

I know it saves time and you want to just write how you normally post in your conversations with those in industry. But if we are going to extract value from your posts we will need a little help to even know what to research.

Thanks dude

I will keep a running PNL and peak to trough DD figure
What is a DD figure? Google yields bra measurements


poopie said:
1) EMH. I respond to price-action. I don't make forward-looks for a living. I shorted the market a day before BABA went public. 2015 SPX. It was a public call. So yeah, we can discuss "market conditions" but generally I try to steer clear of retards and expressions of cognitive dissonance. I do trade vol into macro/event-driven (typically weather events) and CB actions (Draghi).
Helpful if you wrote our Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH) the first time using it.
What are CB Actions?

poopie said:
They "traded" the SS-conversion as deep ITM options rarely trade.
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What is an SS-conversion?
Also helpful if you wrote out In The Month (ITM) options the first time you use the acronym.

poopie said:
I read it and I was amazed that a guy was making >12% PA with a split-strike conversion.
What is PA?

Keep it coming. I like reading your progress.
 
Badass thread but your acronym usage makes it hard to follow even with looking stuff up. If you could write out some of them the first time you use them.

I know it saves time and you want to just write how you normally post in your conversations with those in industry. But if we are going to extract value from your posts we will need a little help to even know what to research.

Thanks dude


What is a DD figure? Google yields bra measurements



Helpful if you wrote our Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH) the first time using it.
What are CB Actions?

What is an SS-conversion?
Also helpful if you wrote out In The Month (ITM) options the first time you use the acronym.


What is PA?

Keep it coming. I like reading your progress.

DD = Draw-Down

CB = Central Bank

PA = Price Action

SS = Split-Strike Conversion: A synthetic vertical spread. The utility for Madoff was to complicate the process which enabled the scam. You would only enter a split-strike conversion if you already owned the underlying shares. A vertical spread (the equivalent) is the reduced position which is cheaper and involves fewer transactions.
 
What's the RSI at, Bro? SnR levels?

Lol, don't taunt me right now bro. Someone on my forum was curious about RSI convergences. So I made a video covering that topic, and now you are walking around here claiming that's all I do. I probably mentioned RSI as a whole less than ten times throughout all the videos I made on Youtube. Hell..I've had a whole thread up on my forum on the flaws in trading just on RSI. You just keep on cherry picking doe. It's ok, I an't even mad.
 
Lol, don't taunt me right now bro. Someone on my forum was curious about RSI convergences. So I made a video covering that topic, and now you are walking around here claiming that's all I do. I probably mentioned RSI as a whole less than ten times throughout all the videos I made on Youtube. Hell..I've had a whole thread up on my forum on the flaws in trading just on RSI. You just keep on cherry picking doe. It's ok, I an't even mad.


All that I know (about your gambling) is that you have no edge. The RSI was just a guess. You're kind of thick as well, so not a good combination.

I know a lot of bright guys with no direct-edge, but they align themselves with people who have an edge, or with info-arbitrage (sell-side color). You have no access to either, but there is plenty of room in shooting-the-shit for you to start your own trading thread, baller.
 
Hell..I've had a whole thread up on my forum on the flaws in trading just on RSI.
Whoa! You're insinuating serious chops, you must be an accomplished authority.

Have you ever had a job in the securities industry? Have you ever been licensed?
 
I will be heavily short index and SN on any touch of 2117 SPX. I don't know if we get there this week (as mentioned Friday), but that's my target for a weekly high (closing basis not to exceed).
 
Poopie, have you heard of these structural arbitrage strategies? You use leveraged ETFs

For example, the etf combination 100%= 45% TMF + X+Y+Z

where X+Y+Z =55% and represents some linear combination of:

x= SPXL
y= TQQQ
z= CURE

When re-balanced yearly it has 45-55% YOY returns since 2010. CURE is the most aggressive, but less diversified.
 
Poopie, have you heard of these structural arbitrage strategies? You use leveraged ETFs

For example, the etf combination 100%= 45% TMF + X+Y+Z

where X+Y+Z =55% and represents some linear combination of:

x= SPXL
y= TQQQ
z= CURE

When re-balanced yearly it has 45-55% YOY returns since 2010. CURE is the most aggressive, but less diversified.

Sure, it's a basket or more specifically (can be) a D1 dispersion strategy. The tracking error of these leveraged ETFs make it difficult, but it can certainly work well. I prefer to use the 2x ETF options as there are some persistence there due to the variance structure. It's hard to go into detail as it's out of the scope of this thread. Basically, it's the difference between current implied vol and realized vol (variance) being overstated.

It's implied that you use leveraged-ETFs to reduce haircut (for those reading).
 
Someone asked in a PM about how/why I choose strikes in complex orders. It's a forecast of my directional bias * time; terminal vol (variance swap forecasting); a view of the skew (vol at strikes, vertically, see "Derman Delta"); as well as "summed" vol (sum of each strike-vol * ratio). I may get into that at a later date.
 
I didn't manage to move anything in my IRAs before the close. I was dealing with a SSD installation and completely missed the close. Expecting a move lower in Greek and EU debt and global shares in the next 48 hours.