The US Gov and Philosophy of Nature

[SUP3RNOVA]

This has probably been mentioned before but it's pretty funny. From the mouth of the beast itself (National Park Service):

Feeding or approaching wildlife can cause problems for both humans and wildlife. Wild animals that learn to associate humans with food often become dependent on human-related food and garbage. They lose their wildness, may become unhealthy and often threaten people and property. They may be cute but feeding them is bad for you and the animals.

Fixed?

Feeding or entitling socialists can cause problems for both humans and government. Wild socialists that learn to associate government with food often become dependent on entitlement-related food and garbage. They lose their self-dependency, may become unhealthy and often threaten people and property. They may be needy but feeding them is bad for you and society.

u blind or just stoopid gov't?

Keep Wildlife Wild - Denali National Park & Preserve

 

[scottspfd82]

I commented on this on FB today...

1/7 American's are on food stamps. The Government recently spent $3 million on ads encouraging more people to sign up.

Government runs ads to get more people on food stamps - Jun. 25, 2012

I'm all for helping those in need. But incentivizing welfare to the point where you can live better off of the state than working an entry level job after taxes - where it makes more sense financially to accept handouts than work is ridiculous. It's counter-productive to the economy, fosters a sense of entitlement and dependence on the State and the sad part is the motivations are the opposite of what most believe.

The public is sold on the idea that it's to help out the needy, that it's compassionate, morally just and serves the greater good. The reality is it's all about power and money. It justifies the IRS to control (tax) trillions of dollars of our money,and 280 million+ people depending on Government handouts - Ensuring control/dependence on the system.

People also think it's non-profit. That's not true. The Government forces us to pay trillions in taxes, the tax payers finance it, and it's outsourced...

JP Morgan, the largest bank in the US, one of the biggest government lobbyists and most politically connected banks earns BILLIONS off of food stamps (J.P. Morgan makes billions in profits from food stamps every year - Detroit liberal | Examiner.com) through contracts to process the debit card transactions.

So we foot the bill. The system is designed to be abused, they actively encourage people to take full advantage, it creates a culture of dependency, gives the government dangerous amounts of control...

And everyone who signs up puts money in the pockets of banks, special interests and crooked politicians. That's basically how the Government operates at every level.

And then I had a mob accusing me of advocating forced labor for seniors and letting children starve.

 

[nickycakes]

itt: people who have no idea what socialism really is

 

[johnmatrix]

 

[scottspfd82]

itt: people who have no idea what socialism really is

So do you miss free room and board, free showers, free food and free healthcare?

You're the only person I've come across who's gone through that and came out so enthusiastically in support of the state.

Not trying for a low blow, just saying.

 

[johnmatrix]

The unemployment rate in Australia is 5.1%

Ooh yeah look at that increasing sense of entitlement and dependence on the state, gimme a break with this bullshit!

 

[pfgannon]

The unemployment rate in Australia is 5.1%

Ooh yeah look at that increasing sense of entitlement and dependence on the state, gimme a break with this bullshit!

Makes you wonder how many of those jobs are state jobs.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

The unemployment rate in Australia is 5.1%

Ooh yeah look at that increasing sense of entitlement and dependence on the state, gimme a break with this bullshit!

Disregarding that stats in America show the opposite (employment regards), Australia is high up in the debt chart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

itt: people who have no idea what socialism really is

itt: people who throw in political commentary from time to time but never actually debate with substance

::waits for additional one-liner from barman::

 

[scottspfd82]

Ooh yeah look at that increasing sense of entitlement and dependence on the state, gimme a break with this bullshit

So you don't have a problem with welfare being a billion dollar business for the mega-rich? Profiting off of misery doesn't seem wrong on any level to you? If you knew your tax dollars where financing welfare programs that are easily abused, widely encouraged by the state and lined special interests with billions in profits you wouldn't have a problem with that? When you realize there's a profit incentive for dependence on the state, it makes you wonder what kind of work the State is doing on "fixing" the economy.

 

[johnmatrix]

So you don't have a problem with welfare being a billion dollar business for the mega-rich?

So you have a problem with banks profiting on the debit transaction fees? that's very anti-capitalist of you. What, do you want them to do it for free?

 

[d_diggler]

The unemployment rate in Australia is 5.1%

Ooh yeah look at that increasing sense of entitlement and dependence on the state, gimme a break with this bullshit!

Makes you wonder how many of those jobs are state jobs.

Owned.

 

[scottspfd82]

So you have a problem with banks profiting on the debit transaction fees? that's very anti-capitalist of you. What, do you want them to do it for free

That's not capitalism. That's corporatism. It's what happens when those politically connected use the Governments power for profit. Sort of like how we bomb people for money, how we have "healthcare reform" underwritten for the profit of insurance companies, how 150+ members of congress traded stocks on companies as they were working on bills that directly impacted their finances.

Capitalism is a free market. Corporatism is using the power of government to manipulate the market and exploit the many for the profit of the few.

One is freedom. The other is theft. Big difference.

 

[amateursurgeon]

Makes you wonder how many of those jobs are state jobs.

In June 2011 there were 1,896,100 public sector employees. There were 251,400 employees in Commonwealth government, 1,449,200 in state government and 195,500 in local government.

6248.0.55.002 - Employment and Earnings, Public Sector, Australia, 2010-11

11,439,000 employed in Aus in 2011:
6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Oct 2011

Of which 1896000 were public sector, so 16.6%

Almost the same as the USA at 17%

Gov't. Employment Ranges From 38% in D.C. to 12% in Ohio

Given that Oz has public healthcare and a welfare system, and same % of employees as the US, it makes you wonder what the US ones are doing, doesn't it?

(Probably 'protecting' you from terrorists and drugs, at a guess)

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

6248.0.55.002 - Employment and Earnings, Public Sector, Australia, 2010-11

11,439,000 employed in Aus in 2011:
6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Oct 2011

Of which 1896000 were public sector, so 16.6%

Almost the same as the USA at 17%

Gov't. Employment Ranges From 38% in D.C. to 12% in Ohio

Given that Oz has public healthcare and a welfare system, and same % of employees as the US, it makes you wonder what the US ones are doing, doesn't it?

(Probably 'protecting' you from terrorists and drugs, at a guess)

Like I mentioned, look at Australia's debt. Scaled down obviously because they don't warmonger like America does, but the debt is still there. Why are they in debt?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Australian_federal_budget

Falsely propping people up with entitlements and ravaging them (or their children) with debt afterwards is just about as corrupt as anything can be.