The Gradual And COMPLETE Erosion of Privacy

zimok

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Has anyone else noticed how our privacy has completely vanished?

I remember the good ol' days when I was running XP and the internet was not new, but not old either. I knew every single process that was running on my machine and chopped them down to 13 with all the functionality I wanted. I knew all incomming and outgoing connections, ports became familiar, everything seemed to run the way it should. While XP wasn't near what a OS built on privacy should be, at least you could bring it close to it with enough tweaking.

Now with Windows 7, processes that are mundane or useless have been intertwined with core functionality so hard that if you want to disable or stop them from running, they cripple you. We don't know what's running in processes that are so bulked up they can't be disabled and always seem to transmit bits and bytes even when the computer is inactive for any length of time.

Evercookies like flash cookies that you need to log on to a website to delete? What kind of complete bullshit is this practice? No one cares, they're de-facto. Now Microsoft is pushing the same thing with SilverLight, their very own version of flash, and they're doing it too. Source - Researchers Find Methods to Kill Persistent 'Evercookie' | threatpost

File recovery companies can restore harddrives that have been burned and hammered and then they can restore files from those damaged drives after plenty of layers of erasure with magnetic history that's left behind. The drives are probably built to encourage this either way. Just with a free recovery program I was able to list 15+ different versions of an encrypted container which I overwrote by mistake, I was able to restore the last 5 copies and get all my files again.

Then we have data empires which are amalgamating the behavior, thoughts, advertising methods, patterns, trends of billions of people. Just Google is processing 20PT/day in data, mix that with great statisticians and you know how every human is going to behave 90% of the time. Creating tremendous opportunity to exploit core human behaviors, extrapolate trends based on past ones, mountains of data on which words work, for which copy, for which demographic. I've had this in mind for a long time, XMCP wrote a great article a while back that sums up Google- Google’s User Data Empire : Slightly Shady SEO

We have browsers which are somehow still susceptible to drive-by downloads and have to resort to 3rd party programs like Sandboxie for functionality which shouldn't even require something outside of the software being exploited.

Programs with complex EULA's that somehow make us accept that we bend over and take their bullshit. Respectable game companies which have built-in programs in their games send back process names and who knows what else, over the network and back to the company (Blizzard/WoW).

Other programs which find it appropriate to write to 20 different places on your hard-drive to store all the files you accessed(photoshop), when they were created(NTFS data, can be changed but would probably be used as evidence against you that you try so hard to cover your tracks). I'd like to be mistaken but I think the 'private browsing' hype for Chrome/FF still WRITE files to HD and simply immediately deletes them, making them even more capable of being exploited through file recovery than if you let them be wrote and kept, the used proper file erasure.

Encryption, I rely on truecrypt, MEANING for basic protection of my files I have to trust some guy from Czech republic which gives me jitters when my PC even connects to these random countries.

The availability and ease of hacking/stealing/exploiting ,and saturation of people who don't know EXE's from JPG's, or .BAT from MP3's... this is a whole other story, but people should have some BASIC protection without spending 200 hours researching all the ways they're being exploited. IT should be offered at an OS level and explained simply. How many retards run under an admin account, browse porn and leave their broadband always on... then they go on to do their online banking, paypal, personal lives, facebook - leaving huge potential for blackmail, theft and complete loss of dignity in the wrong hands. Living with one of these illiterates? Cross-network exploits, infected USB's in your house, exploited routers which let the outside come in, etc... doesn't matter if YOUR smart anymore, it matters who's the lowest common denominator in your house.

Don't even get me started on cell phones, I have a Samsung Galaxy S and it's the most anti-privacy device I ever owned which comes with all the prebuilt features for maximum exposure. I truly and honestly love technology, and should be able to have this mini 'laptop' in my pocket without giving up all my personal freedoms.

Camera's everywhere, eye scanners will become the new trend, 200~ microphone devices which can hear you pop a bubble gum in a basketball stadium with a full crowd. Slashdot Hardware Story | High-Tech Microphone Picks Voices From a Crowd

Corporations now own our privacy, if you want to be anonymous it requires an almost impossible effort. The stronger the effort, the more unique your effort becomes, defeating the purpose altogether.

One slip up and there you are, unique ID nlssssl@25489333sa33dss - currently located in, talking to, belonging to, living in, wearing, thinking, browsing, aged, likes, dislikes, value, bought, donated, aspires, past, present, all owned and bought by people who will never in a million years have your best interest aligned with theirs.

tl;dr. /rant

Thoughts anyone?
 


I've thought a lot about this too. Privacy is basically going to be completely gone forever.. and possibly within our lifetime.

Think of how even now if something odd happens anywhere in the world someone whips out their cell phone camera and takes a video about it and puts it on YouTube.

Now imagine that video cameras are only going to keep getting cheaper and smaller. If nanotech makes a video cam, then we could have thousands of self-replicating robotic mites crawling throughout our houses recording everything we do every hour of the day. Anyone can log on to these nanotech cameras and watch anything, anywhere in the world, at any time.

There might be so many mite-cams that you could put on virtual reality glasses and "walk" through scenes like you were actually there.

We basically become omnipresent through tech, and with omnipresence obviously comes a complete lack of privacy.
 
I've thought a lot about this too. Privacy is basically going to be completely gone forever.. and possibly within our lifetime.

Think of how even now if something odd happens anywhere in the world someone whips out their cell phone camera and takes a video about it and puts it on YouTube.

Now imagine that video cameras are only going to keep getting cheaper and smaller. If nanotech makes a video cam, then we could have thousands of self-replicating robotic mites crawling throughout our houses recording everything we do every hour of the day. Anyone can log on to these nanotech cameras and watch anything, anywhere in the world, at any time.

There might be so many mite-cams that you could put on virtual reality glasses and "walk" through scenes like you were actually there.

We basically become omnipresent through tech, and with omnipresence obviously comes a complete lack of privacy.

Absolutely, the point about it becoming cheaper and smaller is what will make it become the standard. Pushed through channels which are purported to have our best interest in the PR campaigns but in the end are just another nail in our personal freedom coffin.


The sky is falling!

These aren't alarmist statements, they're facts.

Do you have any idea how hard it would be to overthrow the entity which controls and tracks everything about every human in its respective country? Impossible.

Power leads to corruption, when it becomes impossible to have private conversation, be somewhere without anyone knowing, or not having your entire history in a search-able database - it also becomes impossible for you to have individual power. To organize without being destroyed by the past for some new cause, to be discredited for a position because in 2008 you went to a swinger's club or whatever else the masses find morally reprehensible.
 
Zimok, it could also potentially be a liberating thing. I doubt somehow that any overlord could have complete control of trillions of mite-cams connected to an internet. My thought was that everyone's privacy would be gone, even politicians, CEOs, builderburger attendees, etc.

What if no one could lie anymore, ever, because everyone on earth could easily find out what anyone did at any time.

Corruption gone, crime gone, sex slaves gone, rape gone, etc, etc. It might be good.. I'm not sure. But it would obviously change what it means to be human.

<Takes another hit.>
 
I agree with this thread and topic and believe there is little we can do about it. My suggestion would be to smoke less weed.
 
OP if you are that worried about your privacy the solutions are simple.

1. Start using linux so you have more control of your OS
2. Enable high encryption for your files and emails
3. Stop using your real address and start using PO Boxes linked to one use credit cards
4. Every time you make a username make a new one, write down your passwords and keep them in your underground vault right next to your Y2K supplies
5. Do not use any Google products
6. Always use proxies for everything you do, the more the better
7. Throw away your cellphone, they might be tracking you from there
8. Use candles and your own electrical supply....you do not want them to know how much power you are using on a monthly basis do you?
9. Throw away all your phones they might be listening
10. Put inside your house thick wire mesh to stop radio waves from passing through your house
11. Buy guns...lots of them...also learn how to make your own ammo in case ze Germans take over...or the communist...or NWO...or Illuminati...or NSA...or CIA...or zombies...or the Government....or Black Helicopters...or your neighbor
12. Have a secret underground nuclear fallout shelter underneath your house
13. Change all your locks to electronic locks
14. All your doors should be made with re-inforced steel. Put little traps behind them so you can check to see if anyone visited you while you where gone getting supplies
15. Security Cameras...EVERYWHERE


Hope that helps
 
Zimok, it could also potentially be a liberating thing. I doubt somehow that any overlord could have complete control of trillions of mite-cams connected to an internet. My thought was that everyone's privacy would be gone, even politicians, CEOs, builderburger attendees, etc.

What if no one could lie anymore, ever, because everyone on earth could easily find out what anyone did at any time.

Corruption gone, crime gone, sex slaves gone, rape gone, etc, etc. It might be good.. I'm not sure. But it would obviously change what it means to be human.

<Takes another hit.>

Haha you're definitely a glass-is-half-full type of person.




Good thread, Zimok
 
1. Use linux
2. Read "How to be invisible" by JJ LUNA
3. Stop giving your last name to high school girls you hooked up with.
 
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stay off the grid dude.

but i concur; this is where multiple identities comes in handy.
 
Now imagine that video cameras are only going to keep getting cheaper and smaller. If nanotech makes a video cam, then we could have thousands of self-replicating robotic mites crawling throughout our houses recording everything we do every hour of the day. Anyone can log on to these nanotech cameras and watch anything, anywhere in the world, at any time.

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Zimok, it could also potentially be a liberating thing. I doubt somehow that any overlord could have complete control of trillions of mite-cams connected to an internet. My thought was that everyone's privacy would be gone, even politicians, CEOs, builderburger attendees, etc.

What if no one could lie anymore, ever, because everyone on earth could easily find out what anyone did at any time.

Corruption gone, crime gone, sex slaves gone, rape gone, etc, etc. It might be good.. I'm not sure. But it would obviously change what it means to be human.

<Takes another hit.>

That's the flip side I suppose, it all depends how accessible the information/control becomes. If there's governing bodies of humans rights activists, scientists, people etc.. that control exactly what can be done with the technology, it would be very beneficial for the reasons you state. The problems would mostly arise from exclusivity of the mites as you call them. I remember reading they'll be able to fit a full PC's worth of capability in a grain of sand once they master nano tech, still can't get over that one.

<My turn!>

OP if you are that worried about your privacy the solutions are simple.

1. - 15.

Hope that helps

Personally, I'm not worried too much. I just liked that feeling of knowing I was capable of being in control. Being in control of our own privacy has become so complicated that unless you remove yourself from everything which has become standard you won't achieve it.

I love all the Google products, use only a fraction of the protection I know how to use, I don't think overlords will be taking over because I believe in the common good of the majority of humans.

I just love thinking about how technology is taking our lives and where it will lead us, to examine concerns before they become huge issues. I find it relieving that most of you guys think the same way, it's for this very reason that we'll never lose 100% of our privacy, just because so many people believe in it. It's simply going to get a lot worse before it gets any better from any sort of revolutionary whiplash.

Haha you're definitely a glass-is-half-full type of person.

Good thread, Zimok

Cheers Chris! I thought it was going to flop immediately due to length lol :)
 
Calm down bro, next time just hide your porn stash in a %system32 folder and she'll never know.
 
win 7 > xp

stopped reading the original post after the first two sentences, sorry.

ADHD is nothing to be sorry about.

Windows 7 lets you organize your task menu better. Totally worth upgrading.

It is totally worth the upgrade, but good luck getting a sense of privacy with it. That was my only point about XP vs. Win7, of course Win7 is better - my PC never even crashed once since I bought it 5~ months ago.