Swedish Pirate Party enters EU parliament

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I don't think the movie industry is going to die at all. You're just going to see a lot fewer shitty, formulaic movies that rely on a massive A-list celebrity, expensive car stunts, and explosions. Don't get me wrong, those have their place, but give me a choice between something like Synechdoche New York and Death Race, I'm going to take the former, even though the later actually made it's production costs back and then some.

Without copyright laws there probably wouldn't be incentive to create the lower budget movies either. Same goes for tv shows. Why create something that costs millions when it can be freely reproduced? Right now the entertainment industry's profits are only hurting because of illegal downloading. But if you get rid of copyright laws all together, their business model is obsolete. They'll simply stop producing a lot of the stuff they currently produce.


TV certainly won't die. Shit like The Lonely Island and College Humor's OVs are proof that amusing content can be made on a low budget, made regularly, and still be of high quality, and be sustained off the back of advertising and merchandise quite effectively. The "I'm Beached Bro" whale netted the creator $25m in a single year from Tshirt sales and licensing rights (I ran into him during the Comedy Festival), and he lives the high life in QLD and NZ off the back of a single YouTube video.

The stuff on college humor is funny but the resources required to produce it do not come close to creating something like Lost or probably even something like South Park. You may say, so what? I don't like those shows anyway. But that's not the point. The point is, why not give protection to people who create products that are centered around a business model that requires strict control of reproducibility? Protecting Warner Bros copyrights doesn't take any rights away from college humor, or really anyone else.

And they're not forcing you into using/viewing/listening to their stuff. They produce a product with a particular agreement attached, that you not reproduce it, it's up to you whether you want to accept it and use it or not. So who is being hurt if there are laws that protect their business model?

Patents and copyrights are two different things. I see no reason why businesses should not have copyright laws there to protect them if they feel the need to do so. Patents are a more complicated subject as they probably do have more of an influence on the rate of innovation which means the greater good should be considered.

The content industry I see as really suffering would be video games, honestly.
They require substantially more effort and technical expertise than any of the others (especially music. Punk proves you require no knowledge of instruments to be successful) and a lot more time... But there are numerous games out there that put zero copy protection on, and merely have a splash screen saying that "if you liked the game, please remember to pay for it if you haven't already, so more can be developed".
Galactic Civilizations springs to mind. Stardock received more in donations than they did in sales according to a friend of mine that worked at Tantalus.

There probably are games that have a devoted enough audience that would be glad to support them. There are open source products like this as well. But it still isn't a good argument against protecting a business model that requires enforcing the exclusionary right of reproduction. In fact, having both probably makes them both better in the long run since the open source developers often wants to match their commercial counterparts and obviously the commercial producers want to have a credible reason to put a price tag on their product.

Take again the forum software we are using as an example. Most people who have ever run a serious forum will probably tell you that vBulletin is by far the best. Although you may not need what it offers until your forum does indeed become a "serious" one.

Jelsoft Enterprises, the maker of the forum software we're using has and continues to produce the software as part of a for-profit endeavor, and in part that means charging for a license to use the software.

In the software industry, there may be some cases where there is an open source alternative that is better or as good, but in many cases the license/fee based software is better. And the one that relies on copyright protection may have not been produced at all if copyright laws did not exist. It just depends on who's behind the software and what their motivations are.

So if you don't have copyright laws, you are actually limiting the choices. Some people will never get into creating software if they can't make money up front on each copy, and they might have been the ones best able to make the software.

However, people who want to make software and give it away from free can do so if they wish. In my view, it's their right as the creator and should be protected.

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The way I see it, anyone that wouldn't survive without IPR doesn't deserve to be in business anyway, and I challenge anyone to come up with an example of something that needs protection in order to better serve the consumers. But keep it civilized. I don't want any sandbox arguments.

I think I just gave you one. Choice isn't just important for consumers, it's important for potential producers as well. Because having a greater diversity of business models or ways to make money means different types of people with different motivations will be attracted to each model.

More diversity for the producer I think will also generally mean more for the consumer.

I do think your lack of support for copyrights is consistent with your socialistic philosophies, though, erisch. You seem to just not like for-profit business.
 


Laissez-faire is the only way to go :glowingeyes_sml:

Yeah!! I'M WITH YOU!!

Maybe if Norway adopted said philosophy, instead of the 9% poverty rate in Norway, it would enjoy a kick ass poverty rate of 21+ percent (USA).

Maybe, just maybe, instead of having world class universities - Study in Norway - (ex. University of Oslo) open to all no matter one's class, it'd have a poorly funded state educational system.


NEA Higher Education: Higher Education Finance


Maybe instead of high speed internet access in working class suburbs of Oslo, it'd have the kick but "communicate with smoke signals" infrastructure you see in rural and urban areas in America.


Yay for laissez-faire! Mycket Kul, Mycket Kul!!!
Det Går Bra Nu!!!!
 
Without copyright laws there probably wouldn't be incentive to create the lower budget movies either. Same goes for tv shows. Why create something that costs millions when it can be freely reproduced? Right now the entertainment industry's profits are only hurting because of illegal downloading. But if you get rid of copyright laws all together, their business model is obsolete. They'll simply stop producing a lot of the stuff they currently produce.
Not necessarily. They will fund it differently. Whenever people talk about major policy or legal shifts, they always presume everything else is a constant. Well, already alternative finance models for open source entertainment are starting to emerge and be realized.

The thing to remember about markets, is that if something is scarce and desired, then it has a price. Someone will pay something for it. The trick is to figure out how to monetize the product when reproduction no longer provides a revenue stream. Maybe it is by donation like at "Pirate My Film". Maybe it will be with embedded advertising. Who knows?

The market will solve the problem. It always does when the government gets out of the way.
 
Not necessarily. They will fund it differently. Whenever people talk about major policy or legal shifts, they always presume everything else is a constant. Well, already alternative finance models for open source entertainment are starting to emerge and be realized.

The thing to remember about markets, is that if something is scarce and desired, then it has a price. Someone will pay something for it. The trick is to figure out how to monetize the product when reproduction no longer provides a revenue stream. Maybe it is by donation like at "Pirate My Film". Maybe it will be with embedded advertising. Who knows?

The market will solve the problem. It always does when the government gets out of the way.

Still think the creator should have control over his work. If you guys disagree then post your LPs so I can copy them and maybe distribute them as part of an ebook that I'll give away at warrior forum.
 
Still think the creator should have control over his work.
I think I should have hot naked women parachuting into my home all night. :)

If you guys disagree then post your LPs so I can copy them and maybe distribute them as part of an ebook that I'll give away at warrior forum.
That's not the same. You're asking me to out myself. If you find my shit, you are welcome to it and to share it.
 
Seems someone is drugged on state welfare:
Yeah!! I'M WITH YOU!!

Maybe if Norway adopted said philosophy, instead of the 9% poverty rate in Norway, it would enjoy a kick ass poverty rate of 21+ percent (USA).
USA isn't laissez-faire - it's pretty far from, actually.

Maybe, just maybe, instead of having world class universities - Study in Norway - (ex. University of Oslo) open to all no matter one's class, it'd have a poorly funded state educational system.


NEA Higher Education: Higher Education Finance
In countries where there are lots of private universities and colleges there aren't only word class universities, there are average ones as well. Usually you can do well as long as you work and get good grades. If people are so damn happy about funding other people's college tuition from their own paycheck pocket, they can start an organization/fund that does this. It is wrong to force someone to pay up for another man's school and hospital care. I don't disapprove of funding other people, I disapprove of being forced to.

Maybe instead of high speed internet access in working class suburbs of Oslo, it'd have the kick but "communicate with smoke signals" infrastructure you see in rural and urban areas in America.
Don't bring American fuck-ups onto laissez-faire. I don't know if it's true or not what you're saying, but there will be NO problem for having high speed Internet access in working class suburbs under laissez-faire. You don't seriously think that it's because of Norway's welfare state that they can afford high speed Internet in working class or middle class families? Norway has a good market for Internet access and telephony services.

Yay for laissez-faire! Mycket Kul, Mycket Kul!!!
Det Går Bra Nu!!!!
Still drugged on state welfare, eh?
 
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