Street lights are about to start recording your every sound and motion

Yeah, I always tend to look at things like this from the perspective of myself, a good citizen. Does a street light watching me walk impede on my freedom? Does the ability to detain me for terrorism impede on my freedom? I'm not a terrorist and I'm not a criminal. It wouldn't bother me any more than security cameras at stores/airports/casinos that watch what I do. Why are you against things that would cut crime?

I always find it overly dramatic when people take issues like this and say "Oh noez America is losing the freedom we once all loved and cherished!"

We still are the land of the free.

Why do you always try to play the devil's advocate?
 


In most cities, this will just be another waste of budget that ends up getting unmonitored and cast aside when it comes time to renew the contract with the company. Only major cities like Atlanta, NY, etc. could afford it.

Locally, the larger cities around me in my state and TN scrapped their redlight cameras due to budget cuts.
 
Anybody ever told you how much you think like a woman?

Not trying to be funny either, but you really do remind me of people like my aunt, mother-in-law etc., and nothing like any man I know or associate with. It's uncanny how much you feel comforted by the embrace of the more powerful.

lol nailed it
 
ends up getting unmonitored

I’d bank on this.

Still, the panopticon doesn’t need anyone in the tower in order to work. If criminals feel like they are being watched they will behave differently. The smart ones will merely use more sophisticated tactics.

It’s unfortunate that everyone gets put under the microscope because of the tiny minority that causes shit.
 
So wait.. Cameras on corners and the ability for the US Military to detain anyone without question or reason, just cuz they say so? Uh oh.

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Anybody ever told you how much you think like a woman?

Nope.

Not trying to be funny either, but you really do remind me of people like my aunt, mother-in-law etc., and nothing like any man I know or associate with. It's uncanny how much you feel comforted by the embrace of the more powerful.

Ya I think you're kind of blowing what I said out of proportion. Nobody has actually addressed my thoughts, I guess everybody is too flabbergasted by them.

Would cameras in streetlights actually affect your life in any way? If so, how? Or are you just whiny because you're pee shy?
 
These record everything and store them in databases. That information can be accessed to track where you go, and when and build a profile on you that may or may not be accurate but will definitely be used for one reason or another by people you'll never meet to make determinations about you indefinitely.

Determinations to do what? I see this as paranoid speculation. OH SHIT, the government knows I go to Jims Steakout once a week to buy a chicken finger sub. OMG, they saw me go to Home Depot to buy materials to fix my wall.

If we ever got to that extreme point in the future where the government was actually affecting my life based on all this "information" they're collecting, then I'd speak up about losing freedom and if it's bad enough, move abroad.

This doesn't bother you, not because you have nothing to hide, but because you find comfort in the protection the powerful provide for you.

I'm not understanding why it's womanly to be happy that the government protects me. Of course I can protect myself and have my own guns, but I don't complain that the police CIA do the same. I wouldn't complain if "freedom invasions" like these don't go through either. If anything I'm indifferent to them.

But it's dramatic to say that America is losing it's freedom because of something like this.

You think like a woman. You find it odd that so many of us are against it because your mind is wired like the mind of a woman. It's natural to you, and you find our distrust of the powers that be to be overblown paranoia. Nevermind the history of the powers that be abusing their powers EVERY...FUCKING...DAY.

I understand abuses of power. But like I said I do think it's speculative (overblown) paranoia to cry that this is driving America to be a police-driven not free state.

I have an assignment for you. Read about Palantir and you'll get a peek into how this type of data is already being stored and used. Then I want you to provide an historical example of those in power NOT abusing their power over their citizens.

Read the first page before posting this, but I'll read the rest.

Finally, I want you to realize that the more information they have on all of us, the more power that gives them over us.

I'd be "scared" about statements like this if the cops were routinely arresting/detaining/holding citizens like me for months at a time. If the army came to my door and arrested me for terrorism I'd gladly talk to them...it'd be entertaining actually.

Now if after all that you don't see the problem, just accept your need to be held and comforted and embrace the person you are.

You're getting kinda worked up about this. Being kind of dramatic about it actually. And I'm the womanly one?
 
Would cameras in streetlights actually affect your life in any way? If so, how? Or are you just whiny because you're pee shy?

See - even if one wasn't pee shy, public urination + getting caught on a streetlight = fucked.

So... if you pee on street lights, you should be worried like everyone else.
 
I'm guessing Goober always plays devil's advocate because it's easier than taking a real stance on something that he might get schooled on. That way, you know, he can always be like "hey bro, I was just playing devil's advocate." So maybe he's not really like a woman.

(just playin devil's advocate)
 
Yeah, I always tend to look at things like this from the perspective of myself, a good citizen. Does a street light watching me walk impede on my freedom? Does the ability to detain me for terrorism impede on my freedom? I'm not a terrorist and I'm not a criminal. It wouldn't bother me any more than security cameras at stores/airports/casinos that watch what I do. Why are you against things that would cut crime?

I always find it overly dramatic when people take issues like this and say "Oh noez America is losing the freedom we once all loved and cherished!"

We still are the land of the free.

First they came

"First they came…" is a famous statement attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. The text of the quotation is usually presented roughly as follows:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
 
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I'm guessing Goober always plays devil's advocate because it's easier than taking a real stance on something that he might get schooled on. That way, you know, he can always be like "hey bro, I was just playing devil's advocate." So maybe he's not really like a woman.

(just playin devil's advocate)

I think my stance is the most real one presented, because it's based on reality and not speculation.

Watching me pass by street lights does not affect my life in any way, unless I plan on being a criminal or terrorist.
 
Time to start vandalizing street lights kids, stock up on high-powered bb guns before they are deemed a threat to national security.

:ak:-Rep for ties to Al Qaeda

Watching me pass by street lights does not affect my life in any way, unless I plan on being a criminal or terrorist.

Not true, there are a million other things to do with all that data. Why do you try so hard to argue that naivety and being normal are the same thing?
 
How much loss of privacy and individual freedom from Government monitoring is acceptable? When would you say enough is enough? What don't you want the Government to know about you? Where would you draw the line?

I don't consider monitoring at streetlights to be a loss of my privacy. If I'm going to do something private, I'm doing it in the confines of my own home/apartment. I keep asking for realistic examples of this and nobody can provide them.

I've asked how cameras in streetlights actually violates anybody's privacy personally, and not one person has given me an example to work with. Rather than speculate, give me a real example.
 
I think my stance is the most real one presented, because it's based on reality and not speculation.

Watching me pass by street lights does not affect my life in any way, unless I plan on being a criminal or terrorist.

Super, it's all about the government limiting our forefather-intended right to take down our own government if they get too out of control. The more things like this that are in place reduces our ability to take control back by force if needed. This and gun legislation.

And if you think our gov will always be perfect and a dictatorship could never form then you don't understand humanity at all.
 
I'd be "scared" about statements like this if the cops were routinely arresting/detaining/holding citizens like me for months at a time. If the army came to my door and arrested me for terrorism I'd gladly talk to them...it'd be entertaining actually.

Now I can't tell if you're trolling or you're completely ignorant. Do you actually think if the army came to your door to arrest you for terrorism that they'd want to hear the crazy shit you say and try to reason? "Hey, I think you have the wrong person. Let's talk this out, this is going to be entertaining!"


FUCK NO


They're going to barge in, take all forms of your dignity, communication and documentation, shoot your yorkie and chihuahua in the head, disrespect your family, and throw you in some fucked up private facility where you won't see light for years.

Wake up from your fantasy state and stop living in denial.