Starting from scratch with PPC affiliate marketing

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I'm signed up for CJ, Shareasale and Azoogleads now.

I'm a little confused about the Azoogleads interface. Their "acceptable traffic types" are only showing one checkbox for me, Web/Banner. Do I need to make some money to get the others to show up or something?

Also, ALL the offers listed have $0.00 eCPC and $0.00 revenue. Is that supposed to be a listing of my revenue to date with those offers, in which case $0.00 would make sense? It seems odd they would list it like that.

I found a good post on Shoemoney's blog, which I'm guessing a lot of people here have already read:
10k ppc experiment part2

I'm reading it now.
 


There are two types of MFA sites.

1) A site that is built with adsense in mind from the start
2) A site that is built without adsense in mind but adsense was added later

Those two types account for 100% of the sites that have adsense on them.

The only difference is that number 2 is trying to rework there site to get better revenue while number 1 doesn't need to do shit since they did it from the start so the people that have a number 2 site get pissed at the people that have a number 1 site and so they came up with the MFA term which is suppose to be degrading but the funny fucking thing is that every site that slaps adsense on it is just that a MFA site.
 
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I just got a couple questions about Azoogle answered by my affiliate rep:

-The 'Search' option for Acceptable Traffic Types had to be added by her. She did it in about 5 seconds when I asked.

-The eCPC and Revenue numbers which all show $0.00 are going to be network-wide averages, but the tables aren't populated just yet. She didn't give me an estimated time when they would be (just "soon") but she did offer to provide me with that information for any offers I find interesting.

It's pretty cool that they let you chat with your affiliate rep on IM. Talk about convenient customer service.
 
Wow, I got flamed by macfly or whatever his name is for not being nice? So I have the flu right now and this might not make alot of sense since I am on lots of drugs but here we go. first, the only time I call someone an asshat is if I think they are, or if they have a duplicate post or one of those bitch posts that you see on every other forum. I don't think I have ever done anything other than answer questions from my point of view on the affiliate marketing section. In shooting the shit sure I will argue with people about politics but so what, I do that for my entertainment, it is in the shooting the shit section so has nothing to do with aff or arbitrage. now on those subjects.
arbitrage and mfa sites, wtf? who is anyone to tell me that my site does or does not "ad value"? block my site don't why should I care, but don't act like you or anyone else has the right to determine value! hell the people worrying about value should spend more time creating sites and stop hatten that someone else is making money on something!

Aff - this is so different than arbitrage and much more difficult. When I started I spent thousands learning. I break all my aff ppc campaigns down to specific tasks; presale (your sales copy, aff is not just framing there page or something like that, there is real work involved.) keywords, ppc ad, organic search optimization.
1. presale is an art in itself, (now for some lower paying zip and email stuff this of course does not apply) if you are selling weight loss you have to build trust, now why would the reader trust you, well you have to figure that out. You also have to figure out what part of the sales process you are targetting - someone looking for info is not buying and it is hard to convince them so not really the place, you want the people who know what they want and the people ready to buy. Expand that to keywords, and your page set up, do you put the same page in front of someone looking for a sony vaio model xxx as someone looking for a laptop but have not yet made up there mind?
So in the end aff is very involved and is a long process. You can try and find shortcuts but I hope you are making great money at arbitrage already cause it will be an expensive lesson.
jump in though with both feet, remember to use buy keywords, nothing to general like arbi, have a minimum of 2 ads per offer, test for a couple days. The ad that looses gets erased and you write a new ad.
now I set up to aff offers and started them this weekend and was going to start the aff thread but if nobody is interested in me doing it just say so and I will keep it to myself.
 
I'm interested chris. :D

Part of your post above actually opened my eyes to something I really haven't been doing.

Macfire thinks I'm 15 or something like that= asshat.
 
Oh yeah, that sucks about the flu. I got a flu shot 2 weeks ago because my kid is due anyday and didn't want to risk it. Guess what.... They gave me last years fucking shot, so I have to go get another one.
 
chrislingle said:
Wow, I got flamed by macfly or whatever his name is for not being nice? So I have the flu right now and this might not make alot of sense since I am on lots of drugs but here we go. first, the only time I call someone an asshat is if I think they are, or if they have a duplicate post or one of those bitch posts that you see on every other forum. I don't think I have ever done anything other than answer questions from my point of view on the affiliate marketing section. In shooting the shit sure I will argue with people about politics but so what, I do that for my entertainment, it is in the shooting the shit section so has nothing to do with aff or arbitrage. now on those subjects.
arbitrage and mfa sites, wtf? who is anyone to tell me that my site does or does not "ad value"? block my site don't why should I care, but don't act like you or anyone else has the right to determine value! hell the people worrying about value should spend more time creating sites and stop hatten that someone else is making money on something!

Aff - this is so different than arbitrage and much more difficult. When I started I spent thousands learning. I break all my aff ppc campaigns down to specific tasks; presale (your sales copy, aff is not just framing there page or something like that, there is real work involved.) keywords, ppc ad, organic search optimization.
1. presale is an art in itself, (now for some lower paying zip and email stuff this of course does not apply) if you are selling weight loss you have to build trust, now why would the reader trust you, well you have to figure that out. You also have to figure out what part of the sales process you are targetting - someone looking for info is not buying and it is hard to convince them so not really the place, you want the people who know what they want and the people ready to buy. Expand that to keywords, and your page set up, do you put the same page in front of someone looking for a sony vaio model xxx as someone looking for a laptop but have not yet made up there mind?
So in the end aff is very involved and is a long process. You can try and find shortcuts but I hope you are making great money at arbitrage already cause it will be an expensive lesson.
jump in though with both feet, remember to use buy keywords, nothing to general like arbi, have a minimum of 2 ads per offer, test for a couple days. The ad that looses gets erased and you write a new ad.
now I set up to aff offers and started them this weekend and was going to start the aff thread but if nobody is interested in me doing it just say so and I will keep it to myself.
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I'm interested in your aff thread. Keep us updated. thanks
 
well chris does have a valid point in ppc marketing.

the best steps to take is pick an offer your interested in and write yourself 2-3 ads for adwords, adcenter, yahoo. Try and use dynamic insertion for it since it boldens your keywords your targeting and can improve your ad quality.

Now for each article break your keyowrds down in groups. In chris's example of weightloss you may have 1 group of adwords targeting weightloss pills, a group of kw's for weightloss drinks, and so on. In adwords you can have 2k kw's in each ad group, so try to place the proper kw's in the correct ad groups and keep the ads on target with your kw's.

Dynamic Insertion is key, Use it and love it.

test each offer your interested in for 100-200 clicks. so if your paying 50c a click set your budget to test day 1 with 50-100$. If you make 40$ on your product you want to set your kw bid at 1/100th or 40c a click. If your getting a 2% conversion you double your money,, if not, then tweak your ad and test again.

I test the ad 3 times, if after the 3d time i dont realize a 2% or better conversion I can the offer and move on.

Some offers will do 2% some will do 8%,, every so often maybe a 10%. But usually only the free sample offers do 20% + conversion.

But the key is to do a test with 100 clicks, and make sure your offer converts before blowing it wide open.

PPC to CPA takes a lot of testing and as others have said you will fail at first more than you succeed but once you get the fundamentals down then its all about how creative you get with your kw's and ads.
 
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Chris I would like to see you do a thread too, I learned a lot from your arbitrage thread so I am sure this would do a great deal of help for some of us.
 
Mill said:
well chris does have a valid point in ppc marketing.

the best steps to take is pick an offer your interested in and write yourself 2-3 ads for adwords, adcenter, yahoo. Try and use dynamic insertion for it since it boldens your keywords your targeting and can improve your ad quality.

Now for each article break your keyowrds down in groups. In chris's example of weightloss you may have 1 group of adwords targeting weightloss pills, a group of kw's for weightloss drinks, and so on. In adwords you can have 2k kw's in each ad group, so try to place the proper kw's in the correct ad groups and keep the ads on target with your kw's.

Dynamic Insertion is key, Use it and love it.

test each offer your interested in for 100-200 clicks. so if your paying 50c a click set your budget to test day 1 with 50-100$. If you make 40$ on your product you want to set your kw bid at 1/100th or 40c a click. If your getting a 2% conversion you double your money,, if not, then tweak your ad and test again.

I test the ad 3 times, if after the 3d time i dont realize a 2% or better conversion I can the offer and move on.

Some offers will do 2% some will do 8%,, every so often maybe a 10%. But usually only the free sample offers do 20% + conversion.

But the key is to do a test with 100 clicks, and make sure your offer converts before blowing it wide open.

PPC to CPA takes a lot of testing and as others have said you will fail at first more than you succeed but once you get the fundamentals down then its all about how creative you get with your kw's and ads.
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Thanks for writing that Mill. For the past few days I've been hurling as many keywords as I could at 2 azoogle offers with no luck yet. I'll be sure to track more offers in smaller tests of 100 clicks with more ad groups. :rasta:
 
Mill said:
well chris does have a valid point in ppc marketing.

the best steps to take is pick an offer your interested in and write yourself 2-3 ads for adwords, adcenter, yahoo. Try and use dynamic insertion for it since it boldens your keywords your targeting and can improve your ad quality.

Now for each article break your keyowrds down in groups. In chris's example of weightloss you may have 1 group of adwords targeting weightloss pills, a group of kw's for weightloss drinks, and so on. In adwords you can have 2k kw's in each ad group, so try to place the proper kw's in the correct ad groups and keep the ads on target with your kw's.

Dynamic Insertion is key, Use it and love it.

test each offer your interested in for 100-200 clicks. so if your paying 50c a click set your budget to test day 1 with 50-100$. If you make 40$ on your product you want to set your kw bid at 1/100th or 40c a click. If your getting a 2% conversion you double your money,, if not, then tweak your ad and test again.

I test the ad 3 times, if after the 3d time i dont realize a 2% or better conversion I can the offer and move on.

Some offers will do 2% some will do 8%,, every so often maybe a 10%. But usually only the free sample offers do 20% + conversion.

But the key is to do a test with 100 clicks, and make sure your offer converts before blowing it wide open.

PPC to CPA takes a lot of testing and as others have said you will fail at first more than you succeed but once you get the fundamentals down then its all about how creative you get with your kw's and ads.
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thanks for this info, can't wait to get it started (once I get accepted tomorow or so).. :)
 
I have never been a big fan of alliliate marketing. I used clickbank and found it very difficult to get a commision for pretty much anything regardless of the method used to get traffic. I have tried adwords+clickabnk and the results were shit. Same for clickbank+myspace. CJ and CPA im gussing probably wont be much different for most people who try it. A lot of garbage non converting clicks.

PPC is so much easir than affiliate offers. All you need is a mere click to make money. Since I use YPN the clicks can add up to a lot. And you dont have to do any preselling.

Also, wouldn't you rather have people promoting your product than the other way around?
 
adsense - got damn man, do you have anything good to say ever? clickbank sucks, everything I have ever read about people doing cb ppc has been bad but if you think it is not worth the effort to do some preselling don't, put all your eggs in 1 basket and think your way is the only way all you want!
 
Just giving my take. I have rarely seen anyone posting about how they made $xxxxx with affiliate products and PPC without some sort of disguised sales pitch. And i've been on a lot of webmaster forums for a couple years. However, lots of people are making tons of money with YPN & Adsense with relative ease whihc is why you see so many threads about it.
 
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