Ron Paul Supremacist WTF?
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Step back for a moment. No one is questioning that Ron Paul wants to reduce the size and scope of the Federal government, and I’m sure this is his #1 priority. How that affects minorities is secondary. Whether or not Ron Paul is racist, it doesn’t contradict his small government philosophy. If he is racist, it doesn’t follow then that he would abandon his small government principles simply because they might actually help them.
As I’ve stated earlier in this thread, I simply think Ron Paul has a pre-Civil Rights Act mentality that he himself I’m sure doesn’t consider racist but is seen differently from those of us growing up more recently. If anything, I would argue that he likely panders to racist sentiment to gain support for his small government philosophy that many racists share (largely out of opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964).
You obviously believe that the social safety net “keeps people poor” so I will restate my arguments. I am saying that social safety nets provide a floor that Ron Paul would remove. I am saying that Ron Paul’s lower taxes on the rich and reduction of federal programs would further inhibit income mobility—more so than has already happened though the false promise of trickle-down economics, where lowering taxes on the rich and on corporations was supposedly going to benefit the lower/middle classes. All that’s happened is that the rich have gotten richer, and the poor, poorer. The middle class has lost buying power despite the fact that it works more hours than it used to—the gains in GDP has gone to the top earners.
You want to talk abortion? One way to ensure abortions is to continually cut down the earning power of those at the bottom so they are less able to support a child with the jobs available to them. Allow their earnings to continue to drop below what it costs to pay for child care. It’s not “rewarding mothers” so much as offering a much-needed floor given the fact that childcare in many instances costs more money than whatever jobs are available to someone in their position. But yes, you want more abortions? Cut whatever
I don’t support the “status quo” so much as I support having an economy that closer reflects the post world war 2 boom (the era where there existed a large middle class with actual buying power).
So, it's not that I think the social safety net is "good for minorities," I'm saying it's necessary for people being left behind, and that trickle-down economics, and that Ron Paul's economics is a more extreme version of this.
I understand the whole "cut down government and expand personal freedoms" thing is trendy, even sexy. But in practice, it's no different than what exists in 3rd world countries.
Cut the EPA and the air in our cities will look like that of China's cities
Cut the social safety net and you'll have this again
Cut the federal government's ability to guarantee worker's rights and we'll eventually be back to this...
One thing I don't understand is this statement: government programs that reward single mothers and promoting the genocide of the race through mass abortion
You're saying the government both rewards single mothers AND promotes mass abortion? What program(s) are you referring to?
Yes, I was. You mentioned Don Black in specific, so I rebutted that point in specific. I didn't want to address everything in your article because it's written by an idiot hack and would have taken forever. Therefore I touched on the only person you had actually mentioned up until that point - Don Black.
But oh well really. What subject we were on is of little consequence, and just because I was only on Don Black doesn't mean you weren't thinking about the article as a whole.
Gotcha. What do you think of the unreturned donations from white supremacists? Does that matter to you?
I don't know how it's normally done in politics. For comparison I was trying to find examples of Obama receiving donations from Black panther groups and seeing if he returned them but I couldn't find anything like that. I do know Rick Santorum turned back some shady money a few months ago but I forgot who it was from.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c]Ron Paul "I don't want white supremacists support" - YouTube[/ame]
Keep trolling dude.
Keep trolling dude.
Ron Paul supporters shouldn't waste time with the trolls, IMHO. The argument is winnable, but not with unreasonable people who are unwilling consider reality.
Electoral politics is pretty much fucked.
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I'd be willing to bet Obama has more support from white supremacists than Paul. There are a lot in the Democratic party, even long after the Southern shift, especially in unionized labor. A lot of them supported Edwards before half-black Obama won the nomination, but like most good party loyalists, they fell in line behind and the nominee and will continue to support him now, just as the blind loyal Republicans will fall in place behind Willard.
Electoral politics is pretty much fucked.
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I'd be willing to bet Obama has more support from white supremacists than Paul. There are a lot in the Democratic party, even long after the Southern shift, especially in unionized labor. A lot of them supported Edwards before half-black Obama won the nomination, but like most good party loyalists, they fell in line behind and the nominee and will continue to support him now, just as the blind loyal Republicans will fall in place behind Willard.
What about the business owner that has to hire incompetent minorities or face being sued?
He would also oppose a Black Entertainment Television Must Hire More White People Act.
Overall social safety spending has mostly gone up year after year, no matter if republicans or democrats are in charge. Poverty is measured a lot differently now than when that photo you posted was taken. Many Americans listed as living in poverty have cell phones, Xboxes, etc.
The biggest "gut" was the welfare reform signed by Clinton.
"Sixty percent of mothers who left welfare found work, far surpassing predictions of experts. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership, which my administration started to speed the transition to employment, more than 20,000 businesses hired 1.1 million former welfare recipients. Welfare reform has proved a great success, and I am grateful to the Democrats and Republicans who had the courage to work together to take bold action."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
The bar is still set much higher in the USA compared to most other countries. Yes, the "sons" in Germany do better compared to their fathers, but they are still making less than the "sons" in the USA, as per capita GDP is $10,000 higher.
Bill Gates and friends do take out a large chunk of the USA pie. The overall pie is so huge though that the leftovers are still much more than what people get in most other nations where they divide up their pie more evenly.
Do you really think this is the first time they or anyone else controversial has donated? Political campaigns tend to keep every dollar they can get.
That was from a foreign group and would have violated US law.
Ok
Yeah, Ron Paul Is Racist After All, Sorry | VICE United States
YEAH, RON PAUL IS RACIST AFTER ALL, SORRY
"[People] close to Paul’s operations said he was deeply involved in the company that produced the [racist] newsletters, Ron Paul & Associates, and closely monitored its operations, signing off on articles and speaking to staff members virtually every day.
"It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product. . . . He would proof it,’’ said Renae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company and a supporter of the Texas congressman.
"... A person involved in Paul’s businesses, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid criticizing a former employer, said Paul and his associates decided in the late 1980s to try to increase sales by making the newsletters more provocative. They discussed adding controversial material, including racial statements, to help the business, the person said.
“It was playing on a growing racial tension, economic tension, fear of government,’’ said the person, who supports Paul’s economic policies but is not backing him for president. “I’m not saying Ron believed this stuff. It was good copy. Ron Paul is a shrewd businessman.’’
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The story matches one broken by Julian Sanchez and David Weigel in 2008, in the libertarian magazine Reason. Not only was it an "open secret" in libertarian circles that Lew Rockwell ghost-wrote many of Paul's newsletters, but the racial and paranoid tone was part of his and Murray Rothbard's attempt to create a "paleo-libertarian" movement, which is basically libertarianism without all that fun stuff about legalizing drugs and prostitution. Rockwell was trying to court southern conservatives who thought the Civil Rights Act, the Great Society, and the Democratic Party were all enemy combatants in a Civil War that had just transitioned from active shooting to economics and "politically correct" social engineering.
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None of this should be surprising. In 2008, Paul accepted donations from and was endorsed by Stormfront.org, America's leading white supremacist site; he even had a campaign coordinator from the KKK.
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Im all for ron paul in principle, but there are way too many factors weaving the world into a global entity that would make his views catastrophic in the long run.
And i think people misunderstand nationalism/racism/xxx supremacy and make blanket statements that are false.
And i think people misunderstand nationalism/racism/xxx supremacy and make blanket statements that are false.
This place has gotta give you serious wood then, lately.
Ban the retarded motherfucker that resurrected this antique piece of shit thread. :zzwhip:
Cocksucker should be whacked just for having SEO in his username, although the simian part fits.