Forget the social programs, it's this war on terror business and the handouts not to the poor but to rich corporations that's really draining your taxes, the only way you'll get it back is if you buy shares in Halliburton et al.
Republican Party: Party of the past
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Forget the social programs, it's this war on terror business and the handouts not to the poor but to rich corporations that's really draining your taxes, the only way you'll get it back is if you buy shares in Halliburton et al.
See the positive side. When the republicans die as a party, maybe America will learn to count to three and realize that in a democracy that deserves the name you should probably not just have an either/or decision between republican/democrat in the end when it comes to representing the political opinion of a country with a population of over 300 million people.
I don't think the republicans will die as a party. I'm already hearing about a call for the evangelical christians to boycott the election if Mc cain is the canidate. Personally I think that would only back fire for the ECs, not the republican party....Once the party gets the bible beaters out of their ass they can probably pull back together as a pretty united party.
The biggest threats to the solvency of the U.S. government are the "defense" budget and Medicare. While there are definitely freeloader issues with the programs you mention, they are by no means overburdening our system of progressive taxation.
When we suddenly have swarms of Mexican grandmas at the gates clamoring for endless expensive medical procedures like our own spoiled boomer population, then maybe immigration will be the "biggest" issue.
The Shocking TRUTH about Hillary!
Hi All!
Yesterday I was bored and wanted to watch somethin'
I came across these 2 doozies:
The Clinton Chronicles
Bill Clinton: His Life.mpg
Quite frankly I was shocked and then infuriated. :repuke:
This just goes to show how the media consistently covers up
for their players and smears anyone that gets in their way.
Please pass these on to your democratic friends who are
so gung-ho about :bowdown:Hillary.
Let them see for themselves who these people - really are
:anon.sml::female::rasta:
The Clinton Chronicles
Bill Clinton: His Life.mpg
ps
Hi All!
Yesterday I was bored and wanted to watch somethin'
I came across these 2 doozies:
The Clinton Chronicles
Bill Clinton: His Life.mpg
Quite frankly I was shocked and then infuriated. :repuke:
This just goes to show how the media consistently covers up
for their players and smears anyone that gets in their way.
Please pass these on to your democratic friends who are
so gung-ho about :bowdown:Hillary.
Let them see for themselves who these people - really are
:anon.sml::female::rasta:The Clinton Chronicles
Bill Clinton: His Life.mpg
ps
This country NEEDS immigrants. Without them this country would completely collapse from the bottom up. They do all of the jobs that nobody else will do and keep the capitalist machine well oiled with their laborious efforts. I've known plenty of illegals working in restaurants, and they are actually quite fine people that are extremely hard working and just want to be happy. Just the stories alone of what it took for them to get into this country is respect worthy. We as Americans have no idea what they go through just to be able to have what we've taken for granted our entire lives. I've found that the ones who are mooching off the system are the ones who are already legal and they are usually Puerta Rican, not Mexican. That's not an opinion, just something i've seen.
And a question I have for people who support banning gay marriage - What is it to you who someone else decides to love?? How does that affect YOUR life if I choose to love a woman, a man, or a head of lettuce?? Seriously....the problem with these people is that they are so completely lethargic to their own lives, they have to find random shit to justify them keeping a pissed off demeanor. And what about Pro-lifers killing people?? Haha
Nothing bad with being a republican, Bush still pulled in more than half of the vote. But you are right in that it is the party of the past, I think the democrats are onto something with Hilary and Barack. McCain is great too, even Ron Paul. I just think us northerners just don't want anyone whose a Christian fundamentalist from the South as President.
As a socially liberal, fiscal conservative, I find no satisfactory candidates. I have a tough time believing that I'm the only one who feels this way. I guess I'm just a Goldwater Republican ... a dying breed.
What I never hear mentioned about Ron Paul are his pro-life and anti-stem cell stances. The following are directly from his web page:
Pro-Life Action Must Originate from Principle
by Ron Paul, Dr.
First, we must return to constitutional principles and proclaim them proudly. We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government.
and
No Federal Funding for Stem Cell Research by Ron Paul, Dr.
The question that should concern Congress today is: Does the US government have the constitutional authority to fund any form of stem cell research? The clear answer to that question is no. A proper constitutional position would reject federal funding for stem cell research, while allowing individual states and private citizens to decide whether to permit, ban, or fund this research. Therefore, I must vote against HR 810.
He may have a point regarding the authority of the Federal Government to regulate such matters, but I would still be concerned about the type of Supreme Court Judges that he would nominate with stances like that. In this regard, he sounds just like all the other conservatives to me .
Since I mentioned Goldwater, here are some quotes to end my ramblings:
“You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.”
A few years before his death he addressed the right wing, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican Party much more than the Democrats have."
I'm with you Chunkles. That's exactly how I describe myself socially liberal, fiscally conservative (well maybe moderate conservative). It does seem to be going against the social grain though, for some reason.
I usually try to stay out of the abortion debate because I think there are other issues out there that actually need to be resolved. And I think it would be an uphill battle with reversing roe vs wade and it doesn't seem like the current primary candidates care to wage that battle, so I'm not too concerned.
However, on a personal note I would like to say this: As a woman who is on her second pregnancy I would like to share my thoughts. I was just thinking that if anything were wrong with the pregnancy (huge knock on wood), I still don't think I could bring myself to terminate. I'm not sure I could live with myself if I did. I remember feeling this way the first time around and even stronger this time. To me, it is a wrong choice and I would be tormented by that decision later. What I find interesting is this has only strengthened my resolve that this is a very personal and private choice that only a woman and her mate can make and I'll be damned if any other fucker is gonna come in and tell me me what I have to do.
I usually try to stay out of the abortion debate because I think there are other issues out there that actually need to be resolved. And I think it would be an uphill battle with reversing roe vs wade and it doesn't seem like the current primary candidates care to wage that battle, so I'm not too concerned.
However, on a personal note I would like to say this: As a woman who is on her second pregnancy I would like to share my thoughts. I was just thinking that if anything were wrong with the pregnancy (huge knock on wood), I still don't think I could bring myself to terminate. I'm not sure I could live with myself if I did. I remember feeling this way the first time around and even stronger this time. To me, it is a wrong choice and I would be tormented by that decision later. What I find interesting is this has only strengthened my resolve that this is a very personal and private choice that only a woman and her mate can make and I'll be damned if any other fucker is gonna come in and tell me me what I have to do.
Hmm...
1) I am not speaking of legal immigrants. More power to them come on in. I and the majority of America have a problem with immigrants that sneak over illegally. Those illegal immigrants will and does include in a certain percentage rapist, murders, drug dealers and possible terrorist. Most will go on welfare and tax our systems that we have in place for legal citizens and immigrants.
2) Gay marriage. Again the majority of Americans and I have no problem with legally binding civil unions. Marriage is not only a religeous ritual but a cultrual one as well. One that is thousands of years old. Marriage is between a man and a women and needs to stay that way. If we allow non-traditional marriage then we will also need to allow polygamy and other strange and unusual unions..I am sure you have heard about the lady marrying a dolphin.
It is unconstitutional to treat american citizens differently due to sex, race, gender, blah blah. Consenting adults have the right to marry. Period. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. Same with polygamy. I don't like it, I think it is demeaning to women but if these women are adults (which is a problem because many aren't) and they are consenting (which again is questionable in some of these cults) then by the constitution we have to let them.
Popeye,
I may have not been specific enough. LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants keep this country well oiled and running smoothly. Case in point there were hundreds of businesses and restaurants that shut down for 3-5 days all over Manhattan about a 2 years ago when the workers organized a strike due to poor treatment and poor work conditions. I know personally, b/c i've worked in those places and have seen it. You may say that they don't have rights since they're not documented...but besides that, the point is that they make the wheels go round. And whether or not they're documented, they keep businesses running smoothly and the fat americans happy. And yes I concur that there are a few bad apples that spoil the name for the rest, but in my opinion we should be deporting Americans who are committing these crimes and murders more than deporting a bus boy from Equador who's been busting his ass to send $$ back to his poverty stricken family, because he can't get his Visa renewed.
Regarding "non traditional" marriages...how does that personally affect your life and well being? Let the woman marry a dolphin, who the fuck cares? Heterosexuals can't even get 50% of marriages to work...are heteros holier than 2 people who are different from you?? It sounds like you're scared of anything new that threatens your 2000 year old philosophy. And polygamy is alive and well...it's called Utah.
As will Legal immigrants as well as American-born citizens. You can't say that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit harsh crimes, it's just not true. I'm not pro-illegal immigration, simply making a point...
2) ... If we allow non-traditional marriage then we will also need to allow polygamy and other strange and unusual unions...[/quote]
Yeah, and then we might even have to let the blacks marry, what would happen then!?!
How about we define marriage as a contractual, legally binding union between two adults, period. Really, what are we saving. The sanctity of a 55% divorce rate? The anti gay marriage rhetoric is really just old.
In my opinion, the conservative base could actually grow if it were openly friendly to gays. I know a handful of gay people that, except for their sexuality, really are conservative in pretty much every way. And with the Republican party as we know it on it's way out the door, they're going to need pretty much everyone they can.
Yeah, and then we might even have to let the blacks marry, what would happen then!?!
How about we define marriage as a contractual, legally binding union between two adults, period. Really, what are we saving. The sanctity of a 55% divorce rate? The anti gay marriage rhetoric is really just old.
In my opinion, the conservative base could actually grow if it were openly friendly to gays. I know a handful of gay people that, except for their sexuality, really are conservative in pretty much every way. And with the Republican party as we know it on it's way out the door, they're going to need pretty much everyone they can.[/quote]
Its all good untill an illegal alien is drunk and smashes into your high school girlfriend decapitating her ( this happend to my best friend). Then you might think " WTF if we had closed borders and didn't allow ILLEGAL aliens to enter our country this might not have happend"
Sure an American citizen could have been drunk behind the wheel that night...but it wasn't. Thousands of ILLEGAL aliens commit murder, rape, arson etc. every year. What would happen if these ILLEGALS didn't have access to our country, do you think maybe a portion of these crimes would not happen??
When you have a total disregard for the law and are living in a country ILLEGALLY then you are a felon and are inclined to commit even more felonys.
Torbolapp,
I got into trouble the last time I responded to a post from you but I'll try again.
"Marriage" is a legal term that has certain definitions and requirements. What you seem to be referring too is a "union". Many good Americans live together in a civil union without ever getting into a "marriage". This includes heterosexual couples as well as others. In my state, a man could live with a woman for 20 years without entering into a marriage. Everyone agrees that two people who “love” each other should be allowed to live together. The problem many have is with the legal term of “marriage”. In your jurisdiction, the law will be decided by your state representatives. So, if you don't like what the law says, tell your elected representative what you would like it to say. The definition of "marriage" is a "state" issue. If enough people make the same statement, I'd bet he'll make the changes you require. If not, vote for someone else who will. Far too many people complain about something they have the power to change. Until then, the term "marriage" has whatever meaning your state law says it has.
Popeye,
I wonder who did all those jobs Americans don't want to do 25 years ago before we had such a large Mexican work force?
I got into trouble the last time I responded to a post from you but I'll try again.
"Marriage" is a legal term that has certain definitions and requirements. What you seem to be referring too is a "union". Many good Americans live together in a civil union without ever getting into a "marriage". This includes heterosexual couples as well as others. In my state, a man could live with a woman for 20 years without entering into a marriage. Everyone agrees that two people who “love” each other should be allowed to live together. The problem many have is with the legal term of “marriage”. In your jurisdiction, the law will be decided by your state representatives. So, if you don't like what the law says, tell your elected representative what you would like it to say. The definition of "marriage" is a "state" issue. If enough people make the same statement, I'd bet he'll make the changes you require. If not, vote for someone else who will. Far too many people complain about something they have the power to change. Until then, the term "marriage" has whatever meaning your state law says it has.
Popeye,
I wonder who did all those jobs Americans don't want to do 25 years ago before we had such a large Mexican work force?
That's the most BULLSHIT argument for ILLEGAL immigration. So Americans wont do the shit jobs so we place a whole foriegn population in virtual slavery?!?!?! Actually the idea that we need ILLEGAL immigrants is more right wing than even I am. Sure big business wants the ILLEGALS so they can pay $9 and hour instead of $20 and don't have to pay workers comp and so on.
Without the ILLEGALS big business might have to pay more to AMERICAN workers or even work with the labor unions a bit more.
Well I'm a little more impatient then that. I don't think these couples should have to wait around for 50-100 years until the tide of public opinion changes. I think eventually the surpreme court will get involved and then it will begin to change just as it did in 1967 when the supreme court forced Virgina to allow Interracial Marriages.
After thnking about it..I think I am going to change my mind concerning this whole marriage thing. Hell Yea..I woudn't mind having 3 wives.
I guess I could also marry my dog. That way when the bitch has a litter of pups I can write them off on my taxes as dependents.
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