Question About Corporate SEO Salary

Kiopa_Matt said:
So much this. ^^

You sign a 3 year salary contract with someone like ExxonMobil, you're covered. You could go through a divorce, and regardless, those monthly deposits are still going to hit your bank account.

If you're self employed though, and end up going through something like a divorce, there's a decent chance your income is going to go down the shitter on you. There's no signed salary contract with a multi-billion dollar corporation to protect you.

On the flip side, going at it on your own, you could end up with a 1200% pay raise every month. Fun stuff!
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Getting married in the West is a very risky idea especially for a male entrepreneur. The divorce system is biased against men and getting married here is a massive risk, no matter how much you and your girlfriend are getting along right now.

Unless your wife is earning the same amount or more you're gonna get screwed. You need really good lawyers and a solid pre-nuptial set up.
 


avatar33 said:
As you said yourself, it is much harder for the self-employed.
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being self employed is also harder, but the potential upside is 100 folds better then being employed.

Id much rather have a hard time at the bank with 100k in my savings account, then having the same hard time at the bank with 2 years on at $30k a year just b/c some dumb fucks messed up the economy and now I am paying the price. Its not impossible to get a house in either situation though. So what you jump thru 2 more hoops? This is the game you play when your self employed. Dont like it? Rent an apartment or live with mom and dad or have your wife who has a secure job buy the home. Your not thinking... When you become self employed, you give up some things in life sometimes. Sounds like you want your cake and eat it too, but life isnt like that.


avatar33 said:
Any serious company offers benefits and sick days. This is pretty common to be honest.
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Your mistaken, UPS/FORD/GE and plenty of other large companies are constantly laying off people AND/OR reducing benefits AND/OR making people wait longer to get those benefits ( waiting 12 months ) AND/OR going back on pensions. etc. Serious companies get in serious trouble. I think you must not watch the news in the last few years or have family that has worked at large corps. I know at several companies I had worked at in the past every year they were CHANGING at their will your benefits ( paying more for health insurance ), reducing or changing your vacation/sick allowance, and asking people to work longer hours on different projects. When someone can change that at a drop of hat, I dont think thats secure either and this was with serious companies. Your not getting anything more there.


avatar33 said:
Well isn't it better than... say... zero dollar a week?
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Not really, considering that's pretty much a pre-tax amount and your only going to get it ( for what, 3-4 months now maybe? ) you only have 90-120 days to get something else before it runs out. Not secure to me. Its $45 a day bro. I wouldnt even want to waste my time with $45 a day if I knew it was going to end in 3-4 months.

You could go work and get paid under the table or waitress for that amount if you fill the need for a so called secure job and take home more money thats un taxed. however I think a better situation then calling in unemployment forms every week and applying for jobs that you have to do could be spent finding a way to make $45 a day on your own.

avatar33 said:
He will be replaced by the next higher-up. Once the business machine is in motion, it no longer depends on a single individual. Oh and if you get laid off, you apply for unemployment. See above.
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Not every company has a board of directors or a qualified "next person". Your getting stuck on 1 example, much like your 3 year salary contract one. There is no sure way for an employee to feel unsecure then when the top boss that has been running the company for X years up and dies and "jr" or new VP, or even an elder executive takes over and has the potential to screw it all up.

What if your company's next leader ended up being:
Carol Bartz - Yahoo
Ramalinga Raju
Vikram Pandit - citigroup
Richard Grasso - NY stock exchange
Kay R. Whitmore - Kodak
William Sewell - Pan AM

I mean I could go on....

avatar33 said:
Sorry bro, but no matter how you look at it, there is more security with a corporate 9 to 5.

Keep in mind that I am being the devil's advocate here, I hate 9 to 5s, but I have to admit that they provide more stability and security than hustling on your own...
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Maybe in your mind it does, but no matter what you do.. you don't generate your own money, your are always reliant on someone paying you. I would much rather cut out the middle cogs and middle men in my arrangements. Middle man and cogs are only failure points in you being secure.
 
eliquid said:
Not really, considering that's pretty much a pre-tax amount and your only going to get it ( for what, 3-4 months now maybe? )
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Seriously?

It's very hard to debate with you when you refuse to admit that $300 a week is better than ZERO. I'm not gonna quote you on the rest because I feel like you're just being too stubborn and refuse to step out of your entrepreneur shoes for a minute to see the perspective of the average Joe who has kids to feed and a mortgage to pay.

Real life Example for you: When I lost my 9 to 5 a couple years ago, I got something like 67% of my salary for 8-9 months. Sure it wasn't much, but it allowed me to pay for food/rent and even a couple drinks on the week-ends. During those months I was able to build some of my own sites and started generating some decent revenue... which eventually led me to become a fulltime IM. So yeah... it's better than zero.
 
Seriously back at you bro.

I have a family of 5, have been in the unemployment line 3 times while having a family.

I got $300 every week. No way it paid any of my "bills" and barely paid for just my groceries per week ( which is $200-$250 a week ) for my family.

Its true you get a % of your paycheck, but its also capped. It not like your going to get 65% of a 100k a year salary paid to you.

The program stopped paying 3-4 months on it, this was before the 99 week program obama put into place.

Thats a real life story of being unemployed with a family.
 
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If I see one more "your" used in the wrong context in this thread, I think I'm going to murder everyone.

eliquid, in arguing your defence you have argued why a big corporate job is more secure. Most businesses fail within a few years, so if you leave your job, most people are likely to fail within 4 years, then need another job.

90% of people work at companies with more than 10 employees, as highlighted by Alex. These are companies much more likely to survive the next 4 years.

Put it this way:

A random person is more likely to have a salary in 4 years statistically speaking by getting a job, than by starting a company.

Your personal experiences in the corporate world are irrelevant, the data speaks for itself. It's kinda like a friend telling you they have a pain in their abdomen and you saying "oh I had a pain in my abdomen once, and it was cancer, so you probably have cancer" when the large scale data/chances of that being the case reflects something else entirely. An individual experience isn't comparable to national/international collected data from thousands of companies.

Whilst for some people, becoming self employed is the more secure option (those who don't need someone to follow, those who can motivate themselves to get up in the morning without a boss to please, those who have the skills to execute in their field), they make up a small proportion of the population. Most people I know would make terrible business owners, and therefore starting a business would be a stupid decision for them. They'd be more secure in a job. The statistics reflect this, with so many businesses failing within the first 4 years.
 
face saving for what? I didn't post anything that would damage my self image.
everything i posted was true, factual, and from experience/or linked to other studies.
 
Glad to know I can still come back here, make a single comment, and set off an argument that no one can win. :) I love this place!
 
I have gone corporate twice, both times to buy a house. Once I was there 18 months, got the mortgage all done, I was gone. We recently moved and were unable to sell our house, so we had to rent it out and play the renting game for the short term.

I am tempted to take a job just so when we go to buy it will be easier, but man it is hard to give up the freedom. Right now my goal is to sell a couple of sites and hopefully just pay cash, if I can get the dollars I want.

Good thread, and great points all around, though. There are benefits on both sides. It just really depends on your psychological makeup and how much risk you can deal with.

For some on this board, having a boss is a fate worse than death. For others, the fear of not having security keeps them from sleeping. To each his own, as Mom would say...
 
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