Paleo Foods
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Dairy (due to lactose) is handled pretty poorly by most people. Some people can handle it fine. In excess, it's bad for everyone. Also, as they get older, 3 quarters of people grow to handle it less well. And r/bGH probably aint good for anyone...
In America lactose intolerance isn't such a big deal, but in many asian countries there are 95+% lactose intolerance rates.
Part of the reason people are so skeptical of specialized dietary advice is because people make broad, blanket statements that are invariably false when taken at face value.
Nutrition is intensely personal.
Brief overview of fodmap concept: Everyone reading this is somewhat intolerant of a certain type of sugar, be it lactose (milk), fructans (wheat/bread, onions), fructose (fruits but MOSTLY REFINED SUGAR in the American diet). When you eat too much of whichever you have an issue with, your body can't properly process the sugar and instead it ferments inside of you. Depending on you, your body, and the type of sugar, this will cause any or multiple of: gassiness, upset stomach, dairheah, constipation, etc... These things occur both immediately after eating and for up to a week or more, due to the complexity of digestion. It's pretty straightforward stuff but varies a lot person-by-person.
In America lactose intolerance isn't such a big deal, but in many asian countries there are 95+% lactose intolerance rates.
Part of the reason people are so skeptical of specialized dietary advice is because people make broad, blanket statements that are invariably false when taken at face value.
Nutrition is intensely personal.
Brief overview of fodmap concept: Everyone reading this is somewhat intolerant of a certain type of sugar, be it lactose (milk), fructans (wheat/bread, onions), fructose (fruits but MOSTLY REFINED SUGAR in the American diet). When you eat too much of whichever you have an issue with, your body can't properly process the sugar and instead it ferments inside of you. Depending on you, your body, and the type of sugar, this will cause any or multiple of: gassiness, upset stomach, dairheah, constipation, etc... These things occur both immediately after eating and for up to a week or more, due to the complexity of digestion. It's pretty straightforward stuff but varies a lot person-by-person.
I'm assuming you're trolling with your "before" diet but that wasn't too far off from where I was a few years ago (no fast foods and no candy bars, 1-2 energy drinks daily) and I now eat very similar to your "after".
Quitting chewing and drinking energy drinks will be a huge energy/feel good boost plus you'll only get occasional nicotine urges 5 months later if you change your diet and work out more.
I dropped almost 20 pounds with minimal activity differences from before as well.
Hi folks,
I been into the Paleo diet for some time and you don't have to get stupid extreme. Also, Google "The slow carb diet" which follows a similar theme.
Look, it's not that hard.
1. Simply stress protein over carbs, and try to do as most organic as you can afford.
2. Stay away from milk and most grains.
3. Eat a consistent meal plan. Never miss a meal or think you'll lose more weight by eating less. Eat eat eat!
4. Stay away from obvious refined anything (sugar, flour, etc).
Read everything you can written by Tim Ferriss. He's simply a God on the subject and speaks on what a man needs to be fit. Read him now.
Enjoy,
Jim
I been into the Paleo diet for some time and you don't have to get stupid extreme. Also, Google "The slow carb diet" which follows a similar theme.
Look, it's not that hard.
1. Simply stress protein over carbs, and try to do as most organic as you can afford.
2. Stay away from milk and most grains.
3. Eat a consistent meal plan. Never miss a meal or think you'll lose more weight by eating less. Eat eat eat!
4. Stay away from obvious refined anything (sugar, flour, etc).
Read everything you can written by Tim Ferriss. He's simply a God on the subject and speaks on what a man needs to be fit. Read him now.
Enjoy,
Jim
Carbs are good for athletes/people doing a ton of work all day and running around. For most people its just too much energy that doesn't end up getting used and is turned into fat. It's pretty simple really, and the "paleo" diet isn't anything new. It's a low carb diet (like Atkins) that stresses unrefined foods, hence the paleolithic designation (eating like a caveman would).
No. It's not atkins. Atkins is fucking retarded. Paleo usually ends up being low carb, just because most of the foods in it are low carb -- however, it is not based around low carb eating. It's more about eating real foods.
Truthfully, I'm not a big fan of putting how people eat into groups like "Paleo" and "Vegan" etc. I think it's just another way for people to be douchebags and pull some us vs. them bullshit. Ultimately the secret to health is eating real food.
I should also mention in response to the dairy comments above - pasteurized dairy is fucking terrible for you. There is literally no nutritional value in drinking pasteurized anything. Originally pasteurization was necessary because we were retards and didn't know how to keep our foods from having diseases and shit in them, but now it's just something to increase shelf life. It basically burns all of the nutrients out of whatever that is pasteurized. So if I were to eat dairy, it would only be raw/organic, unpasteurized. But it's hard to get (FDA seems to enjoy shutting down small food co-ops that sell raw milk) and I don't really feel strongly about eating/drinking it, so whatever.
Our food industry is fucked up. I don't know if I've said that already.
Truthfully, I'm not a big fan of putting how people eat into groups like "Paleo" and "Vegan" etc. I think it's just another way for people to be douchebags and pull some us vs. them bullshit. Ultimately the secret to health is eating real food.
I should also mention in response to the dairy comments above - pasteurized dairy is fucking terrible for you. There is literally no nutritional value in drinking pasteurized anything. Originally pasteurization was necessary because we were retards and didn't know how to keep our foods from having diseases and shit in them, but now it's just something to increase shelf life. It basically burns all of the nutrients out of whatever that is pasteurized. So if I were to eat dairy, it would only be raw/organic, unpasteurized. But it's hard to get (FDA seems to enjoy shutting down small food co-ops that sell raw milk) and I don't really feel strongly about eating/drinking it, so whatever.
Our food industry is fucked up. I don't know if I've said that already.
Ah fair enough. But yeah, just eating a balanced sensible diet would be the best option - for example, there's been people in here suggesting dinners of omelette, but then saying to avoid pasta... Quite honestly, that makes no sense. Eggs are full of fat (admittedly not saturated, still bad though) as is cheese (assuming people are putting cheese in their omelettes). Not to mention the oil you're frying it in.
A healthy pasta (i.e. not lasagne, or pasta drenched in cheese sauce etc) would be so much more healthy than that (and filling).
Gonna have to disagree with you there bud. Pasta is pretty much all carbs. Eating a pasta for dinner is going to load you with carb (a ton of energy) right before you go to sleep and will make you fat. Eggs on the other hand are mostly protein and fat, but fat isn't as bad for you as carbs are, believe it or not. On the whole eggs are relatively high protein and low calorie (I just looked at my egg carton: 1 egg is 70 calories.. so a big 3 egg omelet will only have 210 calories from eggs). Cheese isn't part of the paleo diet as far as I know. I make my omelets with some chopped veggies (onions, spinach, pepperS) and maybe a chicken sausage, which is all good for you. Oil can be good if it's coconut oil or something else fancy that paleo diet uses.
Eating a "healthy" pasta would be the same as eating 5 slices of bread before going to bed.
I like soup for lunch, I make a bunch of soups and keep trying to expand my repertoire. I usually make a large batch, then portion and freeze it for later.
Spicy Cabbage and Pork
Carrot Ginger
Borscht
Also try to keep some chicken marinated and ready for the grill on short notice. I like Tandoori Chicken and Chicken Souvlaki.
Spicy Cabbage and Pork
Carrot Ginger
Borscht
Also try to keep some chicken marinated and ready for the grill on short notice. I like Tandoori Chicken and Chicken Souvlaki.
I don't want to be a dick or anything but what you just said is extremely wrong. Fat is not bad for you. Saturated fat is not bad - ultimately, you don't want to overdo it, but it's not the villain it's made out to be. Do some research on fat, omega 3's, omega 6's, etc. It's legit. The real enemy is grains/gluten, processed foods, etc. Fat (at least, fat from real food) is not the problem.
If you want to learn about why our country is so fucking stupid about fat, and why we are obsessed with it being linked to heart disease, look up the Ancel Keys 7 countries study. Basically, this fucking cocksucking douchebag Ancel Keys did a study of 22 (or 21, dont remember) countries trying to see if there was a connection between heart disease and saturated fat/fat intake.
There was no correlation between the two, so instead of presenting the facts, he instead eliminated 14(or 15) of the countries from his data set, and then presented the results without them -- drawing correlations that do not exist. Look it up. As far as I am concerned, this dude is one of the biggest criminals of our time. No joke - up there with some of the worst people you could imagine.
I also want to make it clear again in this thread that carbs are not the enemy. The macronutrients are not the enemy - it's the sources they come from. A gram of fat from your average not-real-food fast food burger is not the same as a gram of fat from organic, grass fed beef.
The REAL paleo foods are colorful, leafy veggies. Lots and lots of em. People get wayy too wrapped into the high-fat, high-protein thing and forget that its plants that provide nutrients.
I have a CSA box delivered once a week to my door - all locally grown, nearly all organic veggies and peppers and whatever they give me from CA. Support local, non-pesticide, non-GMO food - you'll be happy you did when the next gas crisis hits. For the LA guys like Blu, the one I use is www.farmfreshtoyou.com - I tell them not to give me corn or eggplant, and they substitute it with other stuff if it's in that week's batch.
For grass-fed beef, I order from Open Space Meats - Healthy Grass Fed Natural Beef - it's really not that expensive for the 20lb family box (10lbs ground, 10lbs random steaks, AMAZING TASTE). They only deliver to nearby states though.
As an internet marketer I hate to say this, but you can buy all the shit you want on the net, the REAL paleo food is eating green plants, and that isn't as easy to buy online.
I have a CSA box delivered once a week to my door - all locally grown, nearly all organic veggies and peppers and whatever they give me from CA. Support local, non-pesticide, non-GMO food - you'll be happy you did when the next gas crisis hits. For the LA guys like Blu, the one I use is www.farmfreshtoyou.com - I tell them not to give me corn or eggplant, and they substitute it with other stuff if it's in that week's batch.
For grass-fed beef, I order from Open Space Meats - Healthy Grass Fed Natural Beef - it's really not that expensive for the 20lb family box (10lbs ground, 10lbs random steaks, AMAZING TASTE). They only deliver to nearby states though.
As an internet marketer I hate to say this, but you can buy all the shit you want on the net, the REAL paleo food is eating green plants, and that isn't as easy to buy online.
I could go into a lot more detail, but saturated fats are actually quite GOOD for you and vegetable oils, certain nuts and other fats are actually not as good for you.
There's something called the Lipid Hypothesis that was put forth by Ancel Keys, who was a scientist back in the day. He did a study that found that higher saturated fat intake was correlated with heart disease. To prove it, he showed 7 countries and a very nice looking trendline showing the increased risk.
He forgot to include the other 15 countries in his study:
Unfortunately for millions of people, the government adopted his study in a congressional hearing despite the many protests from his colleagues pleading for more time to research. The Lipid Hypothesis has formed the basis of the government's food pyramid for a while now, knocking fats heavily and putting a heavy emphasis on grains.
They subsidized a lot of grain and corn farmers so they could produce grain way cheaper than other shit, so there was a proliferation of a bunch of shitty ass grain based desserts, frozen meals, BREAD, pastas, etc on the market for very cheap.
TL;DR - The USA bases their food guidelines on shitty science and both they and the media actively ignore advice like following a "Paleo" strategy of no grains (this is the most "controversial" opinion, the rest of Paleo is no sugars no dairy) and the public eats it up like its the truth.
I eat like 5-6 eggs a day, no grains, tons of vegetables, a little fruit and a fat helping of whatever meat I want and I:
1. Look better
2. Feel better
3. Bloodwork shows I have never been healthier in my entire life
***EDIT re: pasta being more filling. Fat has 9 calories/gram, carbs have 4 along with protein. If you don't eat like a ravenous whore and actually chew your food, fat fills you up quite a bit more and actually leaves you feeling full for hours longer than a fat bowl of pasta. There are days when I only eat two meals and feel no need to eat more***