You wont argue because you have no arguments
Haha what a waste of time. You should sue teachers teaching creationism instead. Those irrationalists are the real threat to modern society.
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You wont argue because you have no arguments
Haha what a waste of time. You should sue teachers teaching creationism instead. Those irrationalists are the real threat to modern society.
What a waste of money and time. And you get angry about where our tax money goes?? It goes to ridiculous law suits like that.
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Where exactly is this welfare talk coming from?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama's comment about spreading the wealth around was in regards to a change in the tax structure itself, to lower taxes on people and businesses making less than $250,000/year to stimulate more spending, and to raise taxes on those making over $250,000/year to offset that loss of revenue.
The thinking is that those that make more than $250,000/year will benefit from the resulting increased spending by those making less, to more than offset any increase in their taxes.
I didn't catch the comment where he said he was going to increase payments to welfare abusers. Source please.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama's comment about spreading the wealth around was in regards to a change in the tax structure itself, to lower taxes on people and businesses making less than $250,000/year to stimulate more spending, and to raise taxes on those making over $250,000/year to offset that loss of revenue.
The thinking is that those that make more than $250,000/year will benefit from the resulting increased spending by those making less, to more than offset any increase in their taxes.
I didn't catch the comment where he said he was going to increase payments to welfare abusers. Source please.
Actually, Obama didn't specify/qualify his statement at all. It was a blanket statement, "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everyone."
The fact is, those making $250+ are the ones employing the average citizen. They are the ones using that money to expand their businesses, creating more jobs so "everybody behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too." (to quote Obama).
The top 5% of earners in this country are paying over 40% of all taxes collected. The bottom 1/3 pay no taxes at all. So to penalize them further is only going to stifle the economy and will not "more than offset any increase in their taxes". These employers will cut back (they have less money to expand their business & add new employees, and ALL incentive to expand their businesses [and our economy] is gone, because they will be robbed of the incentive [profits] that got them into business in the first place.).
Our country was built on Capitalism. That is what has made us one of the richest nations in the world...Where citizens can apply themselves and become very successful and financially secure. America has always encouraged that. And because of that we have options afforded us that other nations can only jealously wish for.
"The thinking is that those that make more than $250,000/year will benefit from the resulting increased spending by those making less, to more than offset the increase in their taxes."
They would benefit more by being able to keep what they rightfully earned. "We're going to take this money from you, but don't worry, you'll get it back, because the people who we give it to will come to your store and buy what you're selling with the money that was your's to begin with..." (HUH???)
We will stifle growth by raising taxes. Lower taxes gives people more money in their pockets to spend, thus stimulating the economy, thus creating increased taxable revenues.
Reagan did it when he came into office. Everyone cried "You'll ruin the economy!". But the recession he inherited from Carter, with it's 21% interest rates and 13% unemployment, quickly turned around and we had the strongest Peace-Time economy in all of American history! Tax revenues were WAY up, and people flourished. Carter was one of the worst Presidents we ever had (and he still can't keep his ignorant ass out of public affairs). Carter's agenda was tax & spend us into the poor house. Obama has taken several pages from the Carter play book, and history is bound to repeat itself again!
Please see my thread:
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/42455-money-doesnt-add-up-tell-me-how.html
Where I ask the question, "How is Obama going to pay for his programs and not raise the Middle-Class' Taxes? No one has given me an anwser. I know there are a lot of Obamaites on this board, defending to the death...
Will someone please answer my question? I am very sincere, here. I don't go off topic and bring up "associations", foreign polocy, or anything except the FISCAL aspects of his proposed policies. That is my concern with Barrack.
If you know how he will pull this off without raising the middle-class tax rate, PLEASE help me understand.
Obama has voted to raise taxes 94 times while in office, including a Bill to raise taxes on people earning $42,000 a year! His actions and his words aren't lining up. He will have to raise our taxes to pay for his sweeping "Change" package. If not, tell me how it will be done.
I'm not happy with either of my choices for President. (I actually wanted to see Duncan Hunter get the nod for canidate, but...)
You convince me of how Obama can do what he says, and I'll vote for him!
As it is now, I'm having to choose between the lesser of two evils, and McCain seems to be the best choice, to me.
Please, SHOW ME THE WAY!!!
Why is this a waste of time?. The school system is PUSHING a ideology on my child that I do not agree with. The class room is to learn to read, write etc. not to push your warped political views on kids.
This lawsuit will probably not cost half the money that only ONE welfare cheat is costing my state in a years time. I would bet that you think the ACLU is filling thousands of lawsuits in the name of Liberty???
Double standards and shouting down viewpoints different than yours - The mantra of the liberal left.
You will never, ever get an answer to questions like this from Obamabots and the left. They can't answer it.
Most learn economics and policy from the Daily Show. If you do get an answer it will be something like "BUSH SUCKS..HE HATES BLACK PEOPLE AND BOMBED THE TWIN TOWERS!1!11"
I have discovered you can not talk with most Liberals, you must talk at them.
Or it's that everyone knows it will never be answered to satisfaction. It's a loaded question.
Budgets are complicated. You don't just cut "education" or "welfare"...normally specific elements are involved that entirely change the outcome. Especially since Obama mentioined more of a "scalpel" approach.
If people don't have money to buy anything, then the whole economy goes to shit (circa - now). In order for your arguments to make any sense, this country would have to not be in the worst shape since the Great Depression.
If the current policies work so fucking well - what the fuck happened?
If the current policies work so fucking well - what the fuck happened?
Then pay for her to go to private school (since you're so rich) and stop being such a bitch.
I'm just a dumb kid from Australia, so I'm probably the worst person to talk about politics, but to me it sounds like popeye is saying that anyone who is voting for Obama is a sheep, and everyone should vote for McCain.
...riiiiiiiiiight
Again, I am completely ignorant to this stuff, but McCain & Palin want to continue the war in Iraq, and you (popeye) are worried about Obama increasing taxes?
Cost of War | National Priorities Project
Look how much money has been spent on the war so far.
And that's all I have to say.
...riiiiiiiiiight
Again, I am completely ignorant to this stuff, but McCain & Palin want to continue the war in Iraq, and you (popeye) are worried about Obama increasing taxes?
Cost of War | National Priorities Project
Look how much money has been spent on the war so far.
And that's all I have to say.
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That's definitely a lot easier than taking on an entire school system. Plus doesn't drag your kid thru an unnecessary battle.
A current example would be this disasterous bail out that is being foisted onto us. Bad people made bad loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. Even making those stupid 125% LTV loans (Loan To Value. Loaning 25% more money than the home is worth). The big guys in charge knew they were fucking up, but they knew that the Government had guaranteed to make it right if something went wrong. These guys were paid multi-millions of dollars to administer this scam.
It just so happened that these smart swindlers were Democrats and knew they would never be called to task for their cheating, but instead rewarded by the bail out, which they are being paid to help manage.
I know, some of you are saying "Bull Shit!", but it's true. What would happen if some Republicans tried to defraud the American people the way the Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac crew did? Would they be allowed to skate on this? NO. Case in Point: Enron. Those were Republicans running that scam, and not only were the big guys punished, with the taking back of the millions they had been paid to run the company and their ill-gotten profits, but they were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. (Jail Time, baby!) And rightly so. BUT, why are these Democrats that were in charge of running the largest scam in American Fiscal history (dwarfing the Enron scandal) not punished in like manner?
The Democratics in congress pushed for these rediculous loans, saying it was a right for everybody to own a home of their own. It's not. It's a privilage and responsibility reserved for those who can afford to pay for them. People were given ARMs, (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) that the banks knew these people would never be able to afford once the low initial interest rate began to climb. But, no worries, we will sell these loans to the government (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac) and wash our hands of it. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac did not do their "due diligence" in researching these bad loans and just took them, lock, stock & loaded barrel. Then when these loans can't be paid back, we are forced to pay for this deliberate fraud. And, those who were in charge, and profited from this scam, are left to manage the bailout!
Why isn't Congress calling for investigations? For Criminal Prosecution of these guys in charge? Because it's their buddies involved. The Democrats in Congress were complicit in the whole thing. It's legally no different than Enron. Where is the equal justice? Like my grandfather used to say, "What's good for the gander is not a horse of a different color!"
Let's be fair here. There's been a deliberate fleecing of the American tax payer and no one is doing anything to punish the culprits. They are not only being allowed to keep there nafarious funds, but are being paid to manage the recovery! This doesn't EVEN begin to pass the "Smell Test".
These guys skate on the deal, while the Enron guys were given punishments so severe one guy chose suicide verses the prison sentence he was given.
So, that is a very big reason we are in the situation we are in. Equal justice under the law isn't happening. The powers that be are fucking up.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him Power." Abraham Lincoln
Couldn't have put it any better, myself.
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Neidamyer is very right about what he's talking about, perhaps everyone should look into and promote counterarguments (if any) before just dismissing it as long-winded.
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with the lawsuit if it involved creationism, anti abortion or the 10 commandments preached in the schools. It's only a waste of time to you because it's against your agenda.
I struggle with this too. It's sad seeing poster after poster of obama in the school halls with only a few McCain ones. There is one that promotes Ron Paul (even though he's not technically running) .. can you guess whose kid that is?
Yes budgets are complicated (not) which is why families have their homes taken away because they didn't budget for the ARM increases in their mortgages. Budgeting is a very conservative thing to do, I wouldn't expect 80% of Obama voters to have one .. there's always gov't help right around the corner.
You're wrong, the economy would correct itself in a shorter amount of time if the government just stayed out of it. Now it'll just take longer to drag out and possibly could turn into a depression.
democrats own the congress & house ... you can't blame everything on the current administration, just the war.
Private schools have different problems than public ones .. but problems none-the-less. Typically it's a christian agenda. There should be a separation between school & state much like there is one between church & state ... but it really wouldn't matter as democrats don't follow those rules either.
Perhaps popeye's lawsuit (or another similar) can get to the supreme court and some desperately needed changes can be made.
I'm not voting for McCain and popeye won't say a damn word to me about it. Why? Because I use reason to shape my actions while most of the population just follows the flow and wants "change" That, by definition, is being a sheep and following the herd.
I do agree with popeye 80% of the time until he starts doing his lifestyle posts.
You want real change? Vote 3rd party ... we need another option
I know you guys have a short attention span but damn dude, it's only a few paragraphs.
How's this for a 20 second answer
It's about spreading the wealth & welfare is only one of the avenues that the money will be distributed to the poor. Others include gov't healthcare, free college for the poor ($4k for every child every year), freddie & fannie (home loans with no consequence), additional stimulus checks & the negative income tax for the poor ... to name just a few.
Forceful redistribution of wealth is a very communistic way of doing things.
Now back to your democrat way of thinking ... ooh look something shiny.
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with the lawsuit if it involved creationism, anti abortion or the 10 commandments preached in the schools. It's only a waste of time to you because it's against your agenda.
I struggle with this too. It's sad seeing poster after poster of obama in the school halls with only a few McCain ones. There is one that promotes Ron Paul (even though he's not technically running) .. can you guess whose kid that is?
Yes budgets are complicated (not) which is why families have their homes taken away because they didn't budget for the ARM increases in their mortgages. Budgeting is a very conservative thing to do, I wouldn't expect 80% of Obama voters to have one .. there's always gov't help right around the corner.
You're wrong, the economy would correct itself in a shorter amount of time if the government just stayed out of it. Now it'll just take longer to drag out and possibly could turn into a depression.
democrats own the congress & house ... you can't blame everything on the current administration, just the war.
Private schools have different problems than public ones .. but problems none-the-less. Typically it's a christian agenda. There should be a separation between school & state much like there is one between church & state ... but it really wouldn't matter as democrats don't follow those rules either.
Perhaps popeye's lawsuit (or another similar) can get to the supreme court and some desperately needed changes can be made.
I'm not voting for McCain and popeye won't say a damn word to me about it. Why? Because I use reason to shape my actions while most of the population just follows the flow and wants "change" That, by definition, is being a sheep and following the herd.
I do agree with popeye 80% of the time until he starts doing his lifestyle posts.
You want real change? Vote 3rd party ... we need another option
I know you guys have a short attention span but damn dude, it's only a few paragraphs.
How's this for a 20 second answer
It's about spreading the wealth & welfare is only one of the avenues that the money will be distributed to the poor. Others include gov't healthcare, free college for the poor ($4k for every child every year), freddie & fannie (home loans with no consequence), additional stimulus checks & the negative income tax for the poor ... to name just a few.
Forceful redistribution of wealth is a very communistic way of doing things.
Now back to your democrat way of thinking ... ooh look something shiny.
Government health care is an unfortunate necessity. We've tried to let the market correct this, but it hasn't. One of the main reasons the Big 3 automakers can't survive is because of the cost of health care for their workers, As a result, they have to jack prices up, close down plants, lay people off, etc. Not the only reason, but certainly a big one. Alot of companies will not pay employee health care, and many of those that do, it doesn't kick in for up to a year. What happens if you're working 60 hours a week, busting your ass, and 6 months into your job youre kid get's hit by a car, or seriously sick. Then what? You're hardly a dead beat, but you're going to lose everything because of no healt care. That sounds fair? Don't kid yourself, about 3/4 of the 45 million people without insurance are actually working.
$4k for free college for the poor sounds like a good idea to me. Education is the only way this country will improve long-term. As it stands now, we are at or near the bottom in too many categories in terms of education. I know they say ignorance is bliss, but damn.
Your stimulus checks came from Bush, don't try to push that shit off on Obama. I think stimulus checks are a complete waste, and yet another example of clueless your fearless leader W is.
Fannie and Freddie don't give mortgages to home buyers. Banks do. Fannie and Freddie buy up existing mortgages and package them as investment securities. Go try and get a mortgage from Fannie or Freddie, and see what happens. The greed of these same rich folks that you're so desparately trying to keep in a lower tax bracket are the ones that gave mortgages to people that couldn't afford it. There hope that they would bank of the ARM's drove them to do it, and they figured Bush would bail them out if it got to bad. They figured right.
I could go on, but why? You will believe whatever makes you comfortable.
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