There, you people can bitch about the forum changes here instead of doing it in every other thread.
Official Bitching About Forum Changes Thread
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Potentialeight, you da real mvp.
My predictions for 2016: WickedFire is flooded with Indian shitlords, potentialeight breaks the record for most $18.99 transactions processed in a year, Jon accidentally commits suicide, means to commit success, KioppaMatt smiles.
Good luck bros.
My predictions for 2016: WickedFire is flooded with Indian shitlords, potentialeight breaks the record for most $18.99 transactions processed in a year, Jon accidentally commits suicide, means to commit success, KioppaMatt smiles.
Good luck bros.
Well since I started the thread, I guess I'll say what I think, though I don't know if I'd qualify it as bitching.
I decided to give it a couple of months to see what happened and give the changes the benefit of the doubt when they were first put into place. There were some pretty big plans laid out, and while they sounded great for the most part, I haven't really seen much progress on any of it, and I still don't see much progress on it right now. I stopped my subscription after a couple of months because I wasn't getting enough out of it to justify it.
With that having been said, I could see how someone would get enough value out of their signature alone if they had an established account. I'm just at the point right now where I have to turn down a lot of work because I just can't get to it all, so that aspect of the situation doesn't really benefit me. Other people seem to realize this as well based on the offers I've been given to rent my signature space.
Jon has stated in a different thread that he had personal issues that have kept him from doing what he wanted to do with the forum changes. That's fair enough, but the timing is very unfortunate because every day that goes by without some kind of progress on those plans is another nail in the coffin for the forum.
One of the issues is that many of the people who were posting the content that a lot of people seemed to like left to go elsewhere. They seemed to resent having to pay to access content and to answer questions on content they had previously posted for free. To give Jon the benefit of the doubt, I understand that things change, but I can also definitely understand contributing members feeling like that.
The other side of this part of the situation is that, in theory, the paywall could provide an incentive for contributing members to post more content since it wouldn't be as widely available. I know I saw more than one person comment on this potential benefit in previous threads. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like this has had a meaningful effect. Other than the sticky, there is one thread in the "Insider Information" sub-forum that was last posted in almost two weeks ago and that is largely devoid of any meaningful content. The last post in the "Enlightened Members" section came from Jon himself about three months ago, and only one other thread in that section has seen a post in the past six months.
Now here's the thing: I don't know Jon, I don't know if anything he's said about himself is true, and I don't really care. I don't know if his plans for the forum were genuine or if this was just a desperate money grab. Again, I don't really care. What I do care about is that I've met some people through this forum that have helped me to have a better life and build a business faster than I probably would have been able to otherwise, and it kind of sucks to see it going out like this.
So here's the part where I think I'm supposed to offer suggestions on how to turn things around. My only suggestion would be to follow through on the plans that were outlined before since they seemed pretty good. It might also be helpful to add support for YouTube links that start with "https" since people seem to still be fucking that up.
I decided to give it a couple of months to see what happened and give the changes the benefit of the doubt when they were first put into place. There were some pretty big plans laid out, and while they sounded great for the most part, I haven't really seen much progress on any of it, and I still don't see much progress on it right now. I stopped my subscription after a couple of months because I wasn't getting enough out of it to justify it.
With that having been said, I could see how someone would get enough value out of their signature alone if they had an established account. I'm just at the point right now where I have to turn down a lot of work because I just can't get to it all, so that aspect of the situation doesn't really benefit me. Other people seem to realize this as well based on the offers I've been given to rent my signature space.
Jon has stated in a different thread that he had personal issues that have kept him from doing what he wanted to do with the forum changes. That's fair enough, but the timing is very unfortunate because every day that goes by without some kind of progress on those plans is another nail in the coffin for the forum.
One of the issues is that many of the people who were posting the content that a lot of people seemed to like left to go elsewhere. They seemed to resent having to pay to access content and to answer questions on content they had previously posted for free. To give Jon the benefit of the doubt, I understand that things change, but I can also definitely understand contributing members feeling like that.
The other side of this part of the situation is that, in theory, the paywall could provide an incentive for contributing members to post more content since it wouldn't be as widely available. I know I saw more than one person comment on this potential benefit in previous threads. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like this has had a meaningful effect. Other than the sticky, there is one thread in the "Insider Information" sub-forum that was last posted in almost two weeks ago and that is largely devoid of any meaningful content. The last post in the "Enlightened Members" section came from Jon himself about three months ago, and only one other thread in that section has seen a post in the past six months.
Now here's the thing: I don't know Jon, I don't know if anything he's said about himself is true, and I don't really care. I don't know if his plans for the forum were genuine or if this was just a desperate money grab. Again, I don't really care. What I do care about is that I've met some people through this forum that have helped me to have a better life and build a business faster than I probably would have been able to otherwise, and it kind of sucks to see it going out like this.
So here's the part where I think I'm supposed to offer suggestions on how to turn things around. My only suggestion would be to follow through on the plans that were outlined before since they seemed pretty good. It might also be helpful to add support for YouTube links that start with "https" since people seem to still be fucking that up.
I finally went and reset my password ( didnt know what it was ) after weeks on end just to post in this thread.
Jon is the problem, period.
I used to root for him, but wall-of-text after wall-of-text, his misguidedness and ego became hard to ignore. As a member of a community, you'd normally look forward to the appearances of the founder. But everytime Jon posts here, it's actually cringe-worthy and hardly ever productive.
When the community became vocal - like we're doing now - even those who meant well were banned for speaking out. Like... wat? That's not how you run a business and that's definitely not how you thrive a community.
Jon is the problem. But who cares, this place is dead.
On to better pastures now. Or mountains, I mean.
I used to root for him, but wall-of-text after wall-of-text, his misguidedness and ego became hard to ignore. As a member of a community, you'd normally look forward to the appearances of the founder. But everytime Jon posts here, it's actually cringe-worthy and hardly ever productive.
When the community became vocal - like we're doing now - even those who meant well were banned for speaking out. Like... wat? That's not how you run a business and that's definitely not how you thrive a community.
Jon is the problem. But who cares, this place is dead.
On to better pastures now. Or mountains, I mean.
Surprised this has not been mentioned yet...but Jon...if the $16 Million dollar offer for this forum was real, then you shoulda taken it:
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-the-shit/6702-offer-buy-wickedfire-16m.html
Just Sayin'
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-the-shit/6702-offer-buy-wickedfire-16m.html
Just Sayin'
^ Wow I just went down the memory lane there. That thread resulted in this:
Jon clarified:
Some members still had questions:
(See post below as well - char limit reached)
That offer is about as real as the WickedFire trademark
Jon clarified:
Some members still had questions:
(See post below as well - char limit reached)
Three days after posting the original thread, Jon clarified that the offer was not just for WickedFire, but for his whole portfolio of companies: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-the-shit/6795-clarification-16m-offer.html
One guy questioned even this:
Then the thread devolved into discussion of Stephen King, Starwars, Arbitrage and other things, just like every other WF thread does. So, that was it.
One guy questioned even this:
Then the thread devolved into discussion of Stephen King, Starwars, Arbitrage and other things, just like every other WF thread does. So, that was it.
any link experts in the house who can properly explain the benefits of that magical technology?
In my opinion, WF is dead and beyond the possibility of revival.
Lots of issues, main one being the environment that was allowed to foster here, and even worse, was actually encouraged. When you have a bunch of grown men acting like 12 year old kids, calling each other names, that doesn't bode well for online business and proper business relationships.
I'll admit, I'm guilty of doing that myself. When I first joined years ago, I viewed WF as a place of business. Later on, I viewed it as a stress reliever. This wasn't a place to do business. It was a place to act like an asshole, and get away with it, so that's exactly how I treated it.
Lots of issues, main one being the environment that was allowed to foster here, and even worse, was actually encouraged. When you have a bunch of grown men acting like 12 year old kids, calling each other names, that doesn't bode well for online business and proper business relationships.
I'll admit, I'm guilty of doing that myself. When I first joined years ago, I viewed WF as a place of business. Later on, I viewed it as a stress reliever. This wasn't a place to do business. It was a place to act like an asshole, and get away with it, so that's exactly how I treated it.
the environment you describe is one of the things i thought set this place apart. i've been a part of a lot of forums, but more than any other forum i've ever seen, WF in its day was sharp... you bring bullshit, you get hammered mercilessly. posting was full-on fucking dangerous.
on no other forum did i have to think twice on whether my post was gonna pass the sniff test of the collective... and as a result i didn't post alot of stuff that would have been WaFo staple material but WF pink slip.
No bitching from me, just This subscription has been cancelled.
I gotta say though, as much as I loved this forum through the years no other came even close to this place. And I basically live on the internet and frequented dozens of other forums/communities.
I gotta say though, as much as I loved this forum through the years no other came even close to this place. And I basically live on the internet and frequented dozens of other forums/communities.
Some of the old threads are just a freakin' awesome read. I often go back and trawl through them. This forum has always been the most entertaining forum I've ever been part of. Even now, as it seems to be dying, there is just some highly entertaining stuff being posted.
