Stop calling anti-muslim feelings "racism".
Islam isn't a race, it's a cult/religion.
Bigotry? Maybe. Racism? No.
Islam isn't a race, it's a cult/religion.
Bigotry? Maybe. Racism? No.
Obama supports plan for mosque near ground zero
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They already "moved it down the road"...several blocks away from ground zero to be specific.
How far is far enough for you? Judging from the people protesting mosques all over the country, probably nowhere...
I mean in reality, what good comes of islam? Churches, while I feel they still hinder science and technology with their backwards ideas, they do have large charities and do tons of good things for the communities in which they are located. What the fuck does islam bring to the table? Have fun scouring the internet trying to find a handful of good things they do for society/non-muslims.
The main reason that Muslims are all being painted with the same brush by so many is because they did not step up to the plate and publicly condemn the bombings and still to this day you see very few of these so called moderate Muslim leaders taking a strong stance against the extremists.
When the Christian wackos go off the reservation most of the Christians publicly say what nutjobs they are. You really are not getting this from the Muslim leaders in this country or anywhere else for that matter.
Personally I think we should find a nice big island somewhere and dump all the religious wackos on it and let me fight it out without bothering the rest of us.
It is the cult of death. Just like Chrisitanity worships the spaghetti monster.....amirite!?!?!?
Now lets form a nice Internet kid, wana be athiest circle jerk, bash Christianity and make our selves feel morally and intellectually superior by giving a pass to Islam.
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lulz...backpedal
really, this guy has the worst political advisors I have ever seen. Why the fuck didn't he just stay out of it. It was a local issue no need to stick his ignorant nose into it. I guess thats what you get when you hire code pink, hamas supporters, communist/socialist/maoist to give you political advice.
That's really great that the crowd wouldn't let a stoning happen. Why was the Mullah guy killed though? I'll be alright with the mosque near the wtc site if the stonings and other executions stop, or lots of moderate Muslims speak up about how/why they need to stop.
lol@you for saying "lol@allofyou" for keeping the thread going, and then continuing to be a regular poster in it
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rofl really?
if there wasnt so much suspicion surrounding this mosque, true believers in the constitution wouldnt have a problem with this whatsoever.
why didnt they just build the mosque? since when did people start announcing all over the news whats being built where.
why is the mosque scheduled to open on 9/11/2011?
World Trade Center Mosque Clears Hurdle - NY1.com
Mega-Mosque to Open At Ground Zero…On 9/11/11|The American Pundit
why did they insist on getting the cities "blessing" for the mosque before starting it if they were just going to build it anyways, regardless of opposition?
if it was just a mosque being built as a place of worship, this controversy would not have been so major.
the 9/11/2011 open date, the request for a blessing from the city, followed by continuing the project after all the opposition. that gives a strong indication that this project is already serving its purpose.
Can a liberal please comment on the link I posted regarding the Pope and what he did. It seems like you guys are quick to bash Christianity, yet they are the ones doing it right (i.e. just dropping it and moving on), instead of being a bunch of douchebags and saying "ohhh but its myyyy right". Again, of course it is, but I don't see why if they're taking so much heat and they are concerned about their PR why don't they just fucking move it?
Wow, I had no idea they were opening it on 9/11.
Rofl, if you can't see that this is nothing more than a spit in the face then I dunno what else to say.
Rofl, if you can't see that this is nothing more than a spit in the face then I dunno what else to say.
I don't consider myself a liberal, but I seem to be on the "liberal" side of this debate (i don't see this one as a liberal vs conservative issue), but I agree with you regarding the PR aspects of it. This is probably not helping their cause the way things have blown up.
My question is, what would you have them do at this point? How do they resolve this issue and make people happy without appearing to acknowledge that they are somehow responsible for 9/11. You seem like a reasonable guy - you can step into their shoes and see the debate from their perspective. This issue has been on the frontpage of the Arab press and is being talked about frequently on Al Jazeera, Gulfnews, etc. Any action they take will be reported on. So what do they do? I think they feel that they are better off sticking to their principals now that they have been entrenched in such a major dispute. Lose/lose situation for them, what a headache.
Can't see how anyone would disagree that this is a PR disaster. This whole thing seems like an epic miscalculation on their part. But it is also sad to see such an ignorant view of Muslims as a whole by some posters in here.
You are one of the few reasonable posters on either side in this thread, IMO... thanks.
Mega-Mosque to Open At Ground Zero…On 9/11/11|The American Pundit
Seems to be a hell of a lot more than a "miscalculation". In fact, it seems this is just the opposite of a miscalculation.
Thank you. Don;t get me wrong I certainly thing you bring up valid points. I am all for bettering our relations with the Muslim world. I would love to see all the racism disappear but the problem is right now you've got people that are pissed at them. And again that really isn't right because like you said 99.9999% of Muslims are good people and I know that. But that doesn't change the fact millions of people are pissed. So right now, what do they do? I'm not really sure. If it were me I would DEFINITELY halt the building of that Mosque right there. I'd look into other places, and look into selling that land so we could go somewhere else. Again, I know it isn't as easy as that, selling land is difficult blah blah, I am just saying if it were me and I was told that our relations with the Americans is important, I would IMMEDIATELY halt any plans to move forward with this. We aren't talking about a hospital in an area without one, we are talking about a church. They don't need this thing right here and right now. Hold off until they can find somewhere else. Again that is my opinion, but it seems as if they really cared about making well with us, they wouldn't be doing this.
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Can you find a trustworthy citation of someone related to the project actually stating it is opening on 9/11/11?
I have been looking and I can't find anything trustworthy. I can't disagree with you that actually opening the thing on 9/11 is suspect - and if that is true then it would be harder to defend.
I would like to find out the truth.
I dont have a better solution than you do... not sure if I would do the same in their position but I dont know what I would do and maybe there isnt a better solution. The endgame for everyone on both sides should be to increase cultural understanding of each other. It is a shame this dispute seems to be doing the opposite of that. If everyone were a bit more reasonable we would all be in better shape.
We are sending the Imam over to the Gulf for good PR. This whole thing is about PR on both sides. This argument is only entrenching the anti-Muslim people in the US further. This isnt the way to go to increase cultural understanding.
I have had some great experiences in Jordan specifically and the rest of the middle east and feel like I have an insight into the every day people (whom are being generalized against) which has been a hugely positive experience for me. These are good guys and I hope this whole thing works out for the better one way or the other.