Its definitely not about equality. Maybe it was when it was about getting women equal rights and the ability to choose a job, but right not its just a dangerous victim idealogy that hurts both men and women.
No More Mr. Nice Guy
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Its definitely not about equality. Maybe it was when it was about getting women equal rights and the ability to choose a job, but right not its just a dangerous victim idealogy that hurts both men and women.
She didn't have many friends, just a boyfriend who loved her deeply, like no one else.
She always used to say that she'd marry him if she could see him. Suddenly, one day someone donated her a pair of eyes
And that's when she finally saw her boyfriend
She was astonished to see that her boyfriend too was blind
He told her, "You can see me now, can we get married?"
She replied, "And do what? We'd never be happy. I have my eye sight now, but you're still blind. It won't work out, I'm sorry."
With a tear in his eye and a smile on his face, he meekly said, "I understand. I just want you to always be happy. Take care of yourself, and my eyes."
She always used to say that she'd marry him if she could see him. Suddenly, one day someone donated her a pair of eyes
And that's when she finally saw her boyfriend
She was astonished to see that her boyfriend too was blind
He told her, "You can see me now, can we get married?"
She replied, "And do what? We'd never be happy. I have my eye sight now, but you're still blind. It won't work out, I'm sorry."
With a tear in his eye and a smile on his face, he meekly said, "I understand. I just want you to always be happy. Take care of yourself, and my eyes."
To which he should have replied "Those were my eyes you stupid thick bint and I have enough wank material of you stored in memory now so I won't need them to spaff everywhere... I'm ok with the deal actually..."
Unless she was a howling munter in which case the reply should have been "Well fuck you! You go check yourself in the mirror before throwing that kind of shit at me... You look like you've been set on fire and put out with a spade FFS!"
Or something along those lines.
Am I doing this right?
I watched this video. Now I'm a man.
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I understand where you're all coming from, but I'm with wiredniko on this one.
Haven't read anything on masculinity - or feminism either for that matter - but I can't really see how "feminism" is a problem itself, conceptually?
It's the PC brigade that's the problem here - not feminism - and gender equality is just scratching the surface. Any potentially sensitive subject (off the top of my head: disabilities, sexuality, race etcetc) is basically taboo. No chance of having a progressive, pragmatic discourse based on reason. Logic goes flying out the fucking window where feels (perceived or real) are involved and the PC/fem nazis ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. (It's coming from a good place though.. Maybe. Bless 'em!)
Seriously though - the idea that men and women should be treated fairly/equally - what is wrong with that?!
In case you hadn't noticed, that's still not the case, AT ALL. And no bullshit about chivalry and equality working both ways etc. Cos I'm talking basic shit here.
The amount of women I personally know who have experienced sexual or physical abuse is ridiculous. Even in the media casual sexism and dismissing women is rampant, accepted and if it was directed towards blacks or gays etc, would totally fucking not be. Then there's pay equality etc. The list goes on.
OK granted, maybe we just are impulse-driven monkeys: eat, sleep, fuck, kill - but it's nice to aspire to more than that I think. I'm very glad that I live in the civilised world and not Africa (FGM), Asia (1/4 men = rapist), Russia (crazy % domestic abuse, can't be arsed to google), ME (say no more) etc. You get the idea.
We're doing "better than some" but there's still progress to be made..
TL;DR - I am a feminist. lol.
PS. I'm a cunt really. But do enjoy your SoloFlesh bros while I'm off getting some real pussy pretending to be a nice guy.
Haven't read anything on masculinity - or feminism either for that matter - but I can't really see how "feminism" is a problem itself, conceptually?
It's the PC brigade that's the problem here - not feminism - and gender equality is just scratching the surface. Any potentially sensitive subject (off the top of my head: disabilities, sexuality, race etcetc) is basically taboo. No chance of having a progressive, pragmatic discourse based on reason. Logic goes flying out the fucking window where feels (perceived or real) are involved and the PC/fem nazis ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. (It's coming from a good place though.. Maybe. Bless 'em!)
Seriously though - the idea that men and women should be treated fairly/equally - what is wrong with that?!
In case you hadn't noticed, that's still not the case, AT ALL. And no bullshit about chivalry and equality working both ways etc. Cos I'm talking basic shit here.
The amount of women I personally know who have experienced sexual or physical abuse is ridiculous. Even in the media casual sexism and dismissing women is rampant, accepted and if it was directed towards blacks or gays etc, would totally fucking not be. Then there's pay equality etc. The list goes on.
OK granted, maybe we just are impulse-driven monkeys: eat, sleep, fuck, kill - but it's nice to aspire to more than that I think. I'm very glad that I live in the civilised world and not Africa (FGM), Asia (1/4 men = rapist), Russia (crazy % domestic abuse, can't be arsed to google), ME (say no more) etc. You get the idea.
We're doing "better than some" but there's still progress to be made..
TL;DR - I am a feminist. lol.
PS. I'm a cunt really. But do enjoy your SoloFlesh bros while I'm off getting some real pussy pretending to be a nice guy.
I understand where you're all coming from, but I'm with wiredniko on this one.
Haven't read anything on masculinity - or feminism either for that matter - but I can't really see how "feminism" is a problem itself, conceptually?
It's the PC brigade that's the problem here - not feminism - and gender equality is just scratching the surface. Any potentially sensitive subject (off the top of my head: disabilities, sexuality, race etcetc) is basically taboo. No chance of having a progressive, pragmatic discourse based on reason. Logic goes flying out the fucking window where feels (perceived or real) are involved and the PC/fem nazis ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. (It's coming from a good place though.. Maybe. Bless 'em!)
Seriously though - the idea that men and women should be treated fairly/equally - what is wrong with that?!
In case you hadn't noticed, that's still not the case, AT ALL. And no bullshit about chivalry and equality working both ways etc. Cos I'm talking basic shit here.
The amount of women I personally know who have experienced sexual or physical abuse is ridiculous. Even in the media casual sexism and dismissing women is rampant, accepted and if it was directed towards blacks or gays etc, would totally fucking not be. Then there's pay equality etc. The list goes on.
OK granted, maybe we just are impulse-driven monkeys: eat, sleep, fuck, kill - but it's nice to aspire to more than that I think. I'm very glad that I live in the civilised world and not Africa (FGM), Asia (1/4 men = rapist), Russia (crazy % domestic abuse, can't be arsed to google), ME (say no more) etc. You get the idea.
We're doing "better than some" but there's still progress to be made..
TL;DR - I am a feminist. lol.
PS. I'm a cunt really. But do enjoy your SoloFlesh bros while I'm off getting some real pussy pretending to be a nice guy.
I was going to say, "What A Fag..." and then I read the PS and just gave a slow clap in appreciation...
Madmen is good. But, I prefer the classics.
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I understand where you're all coming from, but I'm with wiredniko on this one.
Haven't read anything on masculinity - or feminism either for that matter - but I can't really see how "feminism" is a problem itself, conceptually?
It's the PC brigade that's the problem here - not feminism - and gender equality is just scratching the surface. Any potentially sensitive subject (off the top of my head: disabilities, sexuality, race etcetc) is basically taboo. No chance of having a progressive, pragmatic discourse based on reason. Logic goes flying out the fucking window where feels (perceived or real) are involved and the PC/fem nazis ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. (It's coming from a good place though.. Maybe. Bless 'em!)
Seriously though - the idea that men and women should be treated fairly/equally - what is wrong with that?!
In case you hadn't noticed, that's still not the case, AT ALL. And no bullshit about chivalry and equality working both ways etc. Cos I'm talking basic shit here.
The amount of women I personally know who have experienced sexual or physical abuse is ridiculous. Even in the media casual sexism and dismissing women is rampant, accepted and if it was directed towards blacks or gays etc, would totally fucking not be. Then there's pay equality etc. The list goes on.
OK granted, maybe we just are impulse-driven monkeys: eat, sleep, fuck, kill - but it's nice to aspire to more than that I think. I'm very glad that I live in the civilised world and not Africa (FGM), Asia (1/4 men = rapist), Russia (crazy % domestic abuse, can't be arsed to google), ME (say no more) etc. You get the idea.
We're doing "better than some" but there's still progress to be made..
TL;DR - I am a feminist. lol.
PS. I'm a cunt really. But do enjoy your SoloFlesh bros while I'm off getting some real pussy pretending to be a nice guy.
Wasn't fully aware of FGM until now, good fucking god the world is fucked up.
The more pussified the male demographic, the easier it is for the elites & govt to bend over the population.
Adam Carolla has a book out that's on my to-read list, has a 4 1/2 star rating (out of 5) over 400+ reviews:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Years-Well-All-Chicks/dp/0307717380/ref=la_B0040BYXO4_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383538734&sr=1-2"]In Fifty Years We'll All Be Chicks: . . . And Other Complaints from an Angry Middle-Aged White Guy: Adam Carolla: 9780307717382: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
Adam Carolla has a book out that's on my to-read list, has a 4 1/2 star rating (out of 5) over 400+ reviews:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Years-Well-All-Chicks/dp/0307717380/ref=la_B0040BYXO4_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383538734&sr=1-2"]In Fifty Years We'll All Be Chicks: . . . And Other Complaints from an Angry Middle-Aged White Guy: Adam Carolla: 9780307717382: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
No, saying women that should be equal to men is egalitarianism.
I don't know who fed you this crap that feminism is about making women and men equal because it isn't.
Look at everything around you: created by men. Women barely contribute anything to society besides their roast beef and they think that they can somehow be equal to us?
I'll leave you beta fags who believe in "feminism" a quote by Queen Victoria:
"I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of 'Women's Rights', with all its attendant horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were woman to 'unsex' themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings, and would surely perish without male protection."
-- Queen Victoria, 1870
I am glad your thought process aligns with the ideas of 1870. That is very progressive of you.
You are the reason why feminism exists. :action-smiley-027:
You are the reason why feminism exists. :action-smiley-027:
What if feminism is a result of the male subconscious seeking female approval?
This is the type of shit this book made me think about, which would explain why feminism results in this slippery slope where men increasingly become pussies as time goes on.
Adam Carolla has a book out that's on my to-read list, has a 4 1/2 star rating (out of 5) over 400+ reviews:
I'm a fan of Carolla and would probably be entertained and agree with a lot of his take in the book, but I noticed the first example on Amazon is about a WW II vet having to show his ID to purchase alcohol. This has more to do with business owners trying to guarantee that they don't get fined, than it has to do with them having a nanny-like concern for public health or whatever.
The political, legal, and religious constructs of the entire planet are still primarily the creation of males. Groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving have influenced alcohol laws, but drinking age rules in the US go back quite far, and the concept of punishing people for doing various things goes back even farther. The prohibition amendment came before the one for women's suffrage.
A lot of the politically correct rules at various companies are also put there for legal and public relations reasons, not necessarily because the board of directors want to be "chicks."
Men in certain other countries are viewed as being even more "chick-like" than in the US, yet some of these places have zero drinking age laws.
A lot of people tend to idealize the past. Carolla might want modern guys to be more like John Wayne, but that's really only in certain areas.
Wayne, like many of the manly men of his time, was against the idea of cursing and scantily clothed women on film. He described the 1959 movie Suddenly, Last Summer (might be rated PG if it came today) as “too disgusting even for discussion." This would suggest that he wouldn't have been a big fan of The Man Show, Loveline, or Carolla's podcast.
First of all, let me reply to the thread.
I think it is great marketing to write a book like No More Mr Nice guy.
He identified a niche and nailed it. Kudos to him. It actually got me looking into the 'man-child' niche. So thank you OP, I would never read this type of garbage, but worth marketing to.
Now to reply to the Fem-pussies, if you want a TL&DR, here it is: Grow a fucking pair.
Now a more logical rebuttal:
Women have more rights in western society than men. In the 1800s, if a man cheated on his wife and she didn't like it, she would have to leave her kids, house and horse with the man, and she'd be lucky to leave with the shirt on her back.
In the 2000s, if a woman cheated on her husband, and he didn't like it, he would have to leave his kids, house and car with the woman, and he'd be lucky to leave with the shirt on his back.
If a woman says "I hate men, they are pigs" it is completely socially acceptable and she will be applauded by some of her friends. If a man does that, he is socially fucked. If a woman hits a man = ok, if a man hits a woman = monster. All these trends were reversed in the 1800s.
With the aforementioned facts, you think women need MORE protection? Are you kidding me?
Umm, because 'fair/equality' is in the eye of the beholder. I'd pay a female manager less without thinking about it. Is that fair? I don't know, to me ti seems so. Why? Because they pose a higher risk. For a few days a month they lose a bit of their logic. They value family over work (which is good for them, but bad for me). If they have a kid I can expect to have to pay for their maternity leave. They are likely going to want to start a family if they don't have one, in which case they might quit (which is good for them, bad for me). I don't know about you, but in my world, 'fair' means if you posses a higher risk to a company, you should get paid less. Be that people with a history of drug abuse, ex-cons, women, very young employees, you name it.
Women and men are NOT the same. They should NOT be treated equally. EVERYONE is different. There is no universal fair.
A woman runner will run slower than a male, so if there were mixed gender racing, should the woman get paid the same?
Women have a higher emotional quotient, so if they are involved with jobs where that is an advantage (child care, therapy, etc), should she be paid the same as her male co-worker who performs at a lower rate?
As guerilla would say: "Define equality"
You are right. Legally, women have SUPERIOR rights to men. Which is a bit disgusting.
Also, why do you need 'women' specific laws? Equality means a man beating a women is the same as a woman beating a man. Equality means NOT discriminating.
Any law/group aiming at equality and specifically addressing a certain faction of society is a fucking hypocritical piece of shit. You want equality? Start by not discriminating in your 'equality'.
Boo fucking hoo. Fat kids get picked on for being fat. Kids with glasses for having glasses. Ugly people for being ugly. Early balding for being bald. Short guys get picked on for being short.
Are you suggesting we create laws to make it 'fair' for these groups too? Maybe we should make it a requirement that basketball teams employ at least 50% people below 5 feet tall. That sounds equal?
Life is a bitch and then you die. Get over it.
Also, have you thought that maybe some of the downsides each faction of society faces also comes with upsides? The ugly kid works hard since he doesn't get affection just for being pretty. The pretty girl gets hit on all the time, but she also gets plenty of perks with that. The nerd becomes an outcast and builds an online empire.
Stop putting in 'fairness' laws. All they create is the opposite of what they intend. You want 'fairness'? Then be fair yourself and in so doing, don't impose on me. I'll be as fair or unfair as I fucking see fit. If your 'fairness world' is so awesome, everyone will start being like you and stop being like me.
You assume that my behavior is approval seeking which is incorrect.
I just want to see everyone treated like a human being. That means treated with respect.
It means not telling anyone that they are limited in what they can become because they were born with a certain type of genitalia, a certain sexual preference or the color of their skin.
The funny thing is one of my biggest issues with feminism was that women almost always get children during a divorce. I thought that was fucked up. I also thought that it was fucked up that a women gets alimony even if she was the one that broke up the marriage or cheated.
Here is the thing.
That's patriarchy back firing. And before I lose you...I am not a "rah rah rah" liberal. Hear me out though.
Patriarchy says women are weak, they stay in the kitchen...oh and they take care of the children. So, by extent when a divorce takes place the system assumes that the children should go with the mother because obviously she is better are taking care of the kids.
See how that back fires?
I know that a lot of people here are young, well younger than me. I am 34 years old. I have two daughters and in about three months I will have a third kid, might be a daughter, might be a son.
There are two options.
Tell my two daughters that they need to brush up their sandwich making skills or equip them with the means to take over the world.
The reason why a lot of women under perform is because they are trained from a very young age that they are not good enough. So they give up because they never get started.
Look at Star Wars. Look at princess Leah. What is her character? She sits around, all the men do everything and in the end she is like "oh Hans solo, here is a medal". What does that teach a little girl? How many movies are like that? Where the female is weak and the man does shit and in the end she is like "OMG fuck me now!"....like almost all movies.
I ask you this, if you were raised and you were told about having to look pretty, math is hard but you are a girl, sports...oh you can be a cheerleader....who would you be?
Eric, I actually like a lot of your posts so I don't think you are doing this out of hate. I do think that perhaps you are trying to figure out who you are and that's awesome. We all are....fuck read my last thread and it's obvious that I am trying to figure out who I am.
But keep this in mind. Women are not your enemy. No one is trying to pussify you except what you allow people to do to you. This is regardless of gender. The only difference is if you fuck 10 chicks you will be praised. If a woman fucks 10 guys she is a diseased whore slut.
What I am trying to say is we have double standards for a lot of shit. Be yourself, do not submit to anyone but do have relationships with women or men. If you see them as the enemy or beneath you the relationships will turn to shit.
If you treat them with respect you will become a better person.
In the end I say "be like water". Do not overly attach yourself to any dogma or belief system. Things change. What you experience changes you.
Otherwise you will remain static and die retaining the same beliefs that you have now.