Newb Seeks SEO Clarifications
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The consensus is clear. I have to haul ass and get this shit together fast. I'm definitely not the first one to have this idea, but I think I'm the first one who really understands how to promote it well. Then again, it's my MO to be overly optimistic about my projects.
I'll get the money site up and start promoting it from the get-go. Basically, pop the last phase and insert it at the beginning of the list. I'll aim to have everything up in 1 year. We'll see how this goes. I'd like to say that I'll document this shit on WF, but I probably won't have the time. Stuff like that is always the first to go when shit gets real. I'll definitely be posting periodically, though.
Thanks for the feedback.
I'll get the money site up and start promoting it from the get-go. Basically, pop the last phase and insert it at the beginning of the list. I'll aim to have everything up in 1 year. We'll see how this goes. I'd like to say that I'll document this shit on WF, but I probably won't have the time. Stuff like that is always the first to go when shit gets real. I'll definitely be posting periodically, though.
Thanks for the feedback.
This may sound like a stupid question but does it matter if the domains are unrelated? I am currently running about 20 web sites and have been reluctant to cross-link them.
I read it again and I may have misunderstood. I am talking about linking all my domains together in some way (like maybe in the footer, whatever). But I get the feeling you mean to just run something like xrumer and start sending links out to other sites.
Last night I got my main site up. This morning, I posted it on a private forum I share with some friends from college. They've already started populating the site for me. Not that its a chore in this niche. We're all having a good time with it.
I think I'm going to get one of those $18 custom logos I read about yesterday and then try running some traffic from FB like juntao suggested. Sometimes it's easy for me to miss the obvious when I'm in the throes of planning. Why the fuck wouldn't I test it out to see if it takes off right away? Proof of concept just makes sense. Maybe some Adwords PPC after that. We'll see.
The next order of business is to get some serious scraping done so I have content for the first mininet. And my coding skills are really rusty, so that's going to be a bit of a battle.
I think I'm going to get one of those $18 custom logos I read about yesterday and then try running some traffic from FB like juntao suggested. Sometimes it's easy for me to miss the obvious when I'm in the throes of planning. Why the fuck wouldn't I test it out to see if it takes off right away? Proof of concept just makes sense. Maybe some Adwords PPC after that. We'll see.
The next order of business is to get some serious scraping done so I have content for the first mininet. And my coding skills are really rusty, so that's going to be a bit of a battle.
Not stupid at all ... interlinking websites can either be the key to success or the reason entire networks get banned.
There is no real right answer to your question. I tend to build each site in my network as an individual and typically a few sites will overlap ... I've got a few decent size site farms though. I'd definitly stay away from crosslinking all sites from the start, especially if they are all sitting on the same IP address. Also, footer links are easy to footprint .. I'd suggest links in the content.
If you're aiming for a single niche, related domains (rather content) is a must. I don't have a problem with the OP leasing out 10 exact match domains that each get > 4000 searches monthly but I would like to see some aged domains dropped into the network as well only to help with link velocity & authority. That's just the way I do things, and again, there's isn't a "right" way to do things ... everyone is unique as are their ideas in network building.
By doing it the way I do, it gives me options in the future. If you build each site as an island, when you need link juice to bump up the rankings on something, you've got sites ready for that. Aged domains can also pull their own weight by getting ranked for long tailed terms quickly.
Example: I picked up a texting site at auction about 2 years ago ... sat on it and built some links for about a year. Last fall, I put up some content and pages targeting naughty picture related phrases. The result is that I rank top 10 (and get great traffic) for about a half dozen phrases just because of the domain age and link juice.
Moral of the story: The domain is NOT targeted to the niche, but the content is. This domain is an island that makes money but can also be used to funnel links into related niche sites (think cell phones, ringtones, pr0n, ....). It's a great asset to my empire!
Hey,
Can you post one day about how you manage to keep everything you do organized? Dealing with large link farms like that, how do you keep things sorted out? Spreadsheets or something leet?
Erect, thanks for reiterating that the aged domain doesn't have to be even thematically related to the niche. Somehow I missed that in your earlier post and I've been trying too hard to snap up something related, a difficult task in such a narrow area.
It turns out that I still have two domains I've been holding onto from a project about three years back. I didn't even think of them, since they're on a completely different topic, but your anecdote about the ringtone site turned pr0n island won me over.
They've been parked all this time (something I'll never do again, thanks to your imperative above), so I'm wondering if it they will still be as resilient under xrumer blasts, scrapebox, etc..
If these domains work out, I can add them to the first round of sites and gain the "link velocity and authority" you're talking about.
It turns out that I still have two domains I've been holding onto from a project about three years back. I didn't even think of them, since they're on a completely different topic, but your anecdote about the ringtone site turned pr0n island won me over.
They've been parked all this time (something I'll never do again, thanks to your imperative above), so I'm wondering if it they will still be as resilient under xrumer blasts, scrapebox, etc..
If these domains work out, I can add them to the first round of sites and gain the "link velocity and authority" you're talking about.
Well, after reading more about parked domains and indexing in the SEO thread, it seems like these URL's I'm sitting on are pretty much worthless as the kinds of aged resilient domains you were talking about. Ah well. I'm intent on picking up a couple of aged domains now.
Haha, that's my favorite part because I'm a control freak for this portion of my life.
Honestly, the geek in me would like nothing more than to show off a network dashboard but I will stop short of it for obvious reasons. A full answer would be quite in depth but I'll give an overview (This is a full post I'd like to request for Bluehat, I'd love to hear Eli ramble on about this).
Control of each of my networks is handled on a single page. On the top of this page is a simple graph showing visitor stats to all sites and a link to drop links network wide. This part is a bit of a trade secret for me so I won't get into the specifics other than links can be dropped in the footer, menu or spread throughout content.
Below all that is a list of domains with a few links for each
- serp archives for the main keywords
- a list (and count) of queries snagged from referrals for each page/domain
- a list of links built for each domain
- distribution of anchor text for each domain
I will admit that my stats are much more elementary that something like analytics but my dashboard is great for a glance over (awstats is always there if I need more) and I keep google's greedy little bots from tracing any footprints or worse, having full access to my data (analytics).
After sites are setup, I just check over everything once a week ... each network only requires about 20-30 minutes of work/week to keep going.
Of course, the whole rig is kind of ghetto and nowhere as informative as 202, but I've grown to like it. It's simple & functional.
No, I sent you a PM to point you in the right direction.
He pretty much summed up my system as well. Once the initial network is built to auto build itself, it's self-sustaining if you do it right. I'm actually just doing my full niche test of this right now to see how it rolls out.. I'll let you all know - but erect has seen what it has done for me in the past
I want to buy you both copious amounts of alcohol and continue hearing more about this.
Until that can happen in person, I will just have pictures of a flaming skull with a wig on and a penis with a fro printed out and sitting on the bar next to me with shot glasses in front of them.
Cheers to you guys, I will be dreaming of how I want to try and implement my own madhouse.
Thanks for posting, this thread became full of epicness once erect became, dare I say, excited by it
Until that can happen in person, I will just have pictures of a flaming skull with a wig on and a penis with a fro printed out and sitting on the bar next to me with shot glasses in front of them.
Cheers to you guys, I will be dreaming of how I want to try and implement my own madhouse.
Thanks for posting, this thread became full of epicness once erect became, dare I say, excited by it
I want to buy you both copious amounts of alcohol and continue hearing more about this.
Until that can happen in person, I will just have pictures of a flaming skull with a wig on and a penis with a fro printed out and sitting on the bar next to me with shot glasses in front of them.
Cheers to you guys, I will be dreaming of how I want to try and implement my own madhouse.
Thanks for posting, this thread became full of epicness once erect became, dare I say, excited by it
I don't change my sig much...
Come on, you can do it and blur out all the sensitive stuff. (being a control freak I'm sure you wouldn't fail at this
) I've been trying to get organized for 4 years now and I still don't have it quite right. Would really like a visual of how other people concur this shit.
Come on, you can do it and blur out all the sensitive stuff. (being a control freak I'm sure you wouldn't fail at this
Well that was easy enough, I guess I'm a real sucker to show off my toys.
graph on left = self explanatory
The right menu has a few important links.
- the wiki is my training ground for VAs, just some videos & notes to show them how to set up new sites and integrate
- calendar = VAs & outsourcers work schedule
- domains = my own private whois checker ... I also have a program running 24/7 that finds me new niches and looks for exact match domains (bonus points for age/links)
- spin content = playground for original articles for 2.0 properties
- links to build = dropping links throughout this network. If I want to drop links between networks, I've got problems as they're all separate. Basically, I have to make sure all related niches are in the same network (each has it's own dashboard).
- add url = private promotion method
Under that on the right is my dashboard to keep track of what outsourcers are doing, they can add content & build links but can't see any of my admin section.
^^ that's the aged domain that I was talking about ... check out all that long tail traffic on an unrelated domain. Notice that "serp archive" = #101 .. that means it's not even ranking for the main word (the exact match domain by default)
^^ SERP archives (google only). That particular domain (not the aged one) had a weird sandbox period but you can see how it broke out early January. I can punish that site with links if I want now and move in to take the top spot ... shouldn't be that hard, I'm already #3.
Big picture, I tend to build a small amount of links and let my new domains sit around for about 6 months before I re-evaluate what I need to do. I never have the "too much, too fast" issue by doing this ... but sometimes I linger in the sandbox a little too long.
I hope this helps someone & I openly welcome criticism/suggestions as to how I do this. My dashboard evolves a bit faster than my site creation script so I'm always looking to add new features.
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Since we're going out, I'll throw on some clothes. Shady's hat hides the fro well enough.
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Do you have one of those for each network/niche or one main control panel to control everything?
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