Didn't see it myself, but you're right, they should have stopped the RNC and given this guy the stage for at least 20 minutes. Because protests really belong inside the convention rather than outside with a picket sign.
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Didn't see it myself, but you're right, they should have stopped the RNC and given this guy the stage for at least 20 minutes. Because protests really belong inside the convention rather than outside with a picket sign.
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You missed the entire point of my post.
The reaction.
They way they reacted to the protester.
Their response.
Their response to the protester.
It reminded me of the way large groups react on South Park... "Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!"
ps... I'm not a democrat.
YouTube - America - Fuck Yeah!
Well I happen to catch not only the RNC convention last night but the Oreilly show too (My mom is here now and insists on having fox news on 24/7) I wanted to poke my eyes out.
As for the speeches last night I have to say I was impressed with Cindy...until she spoke. I had no idea at the kind of stuff she had done previously and I liked her better in that intro video of her 20 years ago than the stepford lady that spoke last night. Even my mom was disappointed with her.
EDIT: Mom loves Palin though. She's really got the conservatives going right now.
As for the speeches last night I have to say I was impressed with Cindy...until she spoke. I had no idea at the kind of stuff she had done previously and I liked her better in that intro video of her 20 years ago than the stepford lady that spoke last night. Even my mom was disappointed with her.
EDIT: Mom loves Palin though. She's really got the conservatives going right now.
Pop Quiz: How many of the people in the following video voted in the last election?
YouTube - Americans are NOT stupid - WITH SUBTITLES
YouTube - Americans are NOT stupid - WITH SUBTITLES
Wow, 16 Million views, that's about the entire population of Australia (in size) that watched that movie lol.
"I'm not a Republican because I grew up rich, but because I didn't want to spend the rest of my life poor, waiting for the government to rescue me."
- Huckabee, at the RNC.
Pretty much sums it all up.
- Huckabee, at the RNC.
Pretty much sums it all up.
Yeah, it pretty much sums up the one dimensional view he and you have. Like all that matters is how the parties balance money across income classes.
Oh by the way, when was the last time the republican way of handling money actually had a positive effect on the US economy as a whole (not just the fat cats)?
Nope, I got it. My point was that he & the staff shouldn't have had to deal with it at all. There is a time and a place for this guy to make some noise and that was not it.
Someone causing a scene inside the convention should have been manhandled. Again, I didn't see that particular incident so I'm speaking out of my ass but I'm pretty damn sure it's just like all the other protesters that sneak their way in ... vets or hippies
Yea, right
If you support Obama, you don't make enough money.
This page breaks down each candidates tax policies, and how it will affect you:
How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008
The worse part of both candidates is that neither is addressing the greatest threat to our country, the looming national debt and money borrowed from foreign nations.
The USA's current 'prosperity' is an illusion if we're 9 TRILLION dollars in debt. This is getting ridiculous.
We can't afford the war. We can't afford 'Universal Health Care'. We can't afford the continued expansion of our empire across seas. We need to seriously reel in spending.
I probably pay a lot more in taxes than most people here, and it's absolutely absurd how that money is wasted so frivolously by our government.
We need to get more fiscally convervative 'Ron Paul' republicans in the base of GOP or we're all fucked.
This page breaks down each candidates tax policies, and how it will affect you:
How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008
The worse part of both candidates is that neither is addressing the greatest threat to our country, the looming national debt and money borrowed from foreign nations.
So fuck them both. I'm going to vote for McCain now that Palin's in the ticket and cross my fingers that we can actually start shrinking the size of government and getting corruption and wasteful spending under control, however either way that's doubtful.
The USA's current 'prosperity' is an illusion if we're 9 TRILLION dollars in debt. This is getting ridiculous.
We can't afford the war. We can't afford 'Universal Health Care'. We can't afford the continued expansion of our empire across seas. We need to seriously reel in spending.
I probably pay a lot more in taxes than most people here, and it's absolutely absurd how that money is wasted so frivolously by our government.
We need to get more fiscally convervative 'Ron Paul' republicans in the base of GOP or we're all fucked.
You're complaining about our national debt, but bitching about having your taxes raised at the same time..
McCain's idea of cutting taxes across the board (proportionately more for the super rich of course) and waging new wars, with no end in sight sounds like a good way to put a dent in our national debt..
AIM is suggesting cutting spending. Yes you can pay lower taxes AND decrease (really eliminate) the deficit. It's called cutting frivolous spending ... and we need a bunch of it.
If AIM pays a larger dollar amount than you, he deserves the largest tax break. He's in a better position to open more businesses, provide more jobs and make larger luxury purchases.
Don't get me wrong. I'd gladly pay the same amount of taxes or even more taxes if the government came out with a solid, viable plan to pay off the national debt.
Let's say you fall into the 167-227k range. Under both candidates, you get a tax cut. If you're making 200k/year, and a lot of us here make a lot more than that, why the hell do we care about a $2,000 tax cut? That's the equivalent of 1%.
Wtf is that going to do for us? Keep it and pay off the debt. If they want to spend it on anything other than that, just give it to me instead, because it's money wasted.
Let's say you fall into the 167-227k range. Under both candidates, you get a tax cut. If you're making 200k/year, and a lot of us here make a lot more than that, why the hell do we care about a $2,000 tax cut? That's the equivalent of 1%.
Wtf is that going to do for us? Keep it and pay off the debt. If they want to spend it on anything other than that, just give it to me instead, because it's money wasted.
Bar Stool Economics
Exactly. Here's a simple way to explain to folks who don't understand: Bar Stool Economics
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
"Since you are all such good customers", he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
Exactly. Here's a simple way to explain to folks who don't understand: Bar Stool Economics
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
"Since you are all such good customers", he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
The conventions are by private invitation. Fools, hippies, general trouble makers are not allowed. This goes for the Democrats as well. If someone would have stood up in the DNC and started yelling "Barack why are you friends with a terrorist and your spiritual leader is a black panther" he would have been dragged out as well.
While I agree with you aim and erect, I think the super rich are in a better position right now to see increases in taxes. No one is asking for handouts, I just think McCain is leaning towards big business way too much. He wants to cut taxes for huge companies and rich people, and say fuck you to the middle class and small businesses. The huge corporations should pay for a larger part of the deficit, they are the only ones who gained anything from it (which we all know was caused by the war).
We need a flat tax system anyways, I'm tired of this bullshit
I'll admit I don't understand economics or taxes very well, so feel free to rip me to shreds. I'm interested in learning more honestly.
We need a flat tax system anyways, I'm tired of this bullshit
I'll admit I don't understand economics or taxes very well, so feel free to rip me to shreds. I'm interested in learning more honestly.
Tried to edit, was too late:
EDIT: Looking at McCains tax plan says that he's giving a higher % reduction to the higher income brackets. That was my original "concern" Am I missing something?
BTW: I'm trying to avoid a McCain / Obama fuckfest, just asking questions and hoping to learn more before I vote
EDIT: Looking at McCains tax plan says that he's giving a higher % reduction to the higher income brackets. That was my original "concern" Am I missing something?
BTW: I'm trying to avoid a McCain / Obama fuckfest, just asking questions and hoping to learn more before I vote
From what you are saying, I'm only seeing a little common ground.
The wealthy of this country pay ~40%, poor + college kids pay < 10%.
40% of 1,000,000 is $400k
10% of 35,000 is $3.5k
How much more do you want to milk them?
I disagree but we'd have to clarify the definition of handouts. I'd say welfare would slide under either of our definitions. 90% of the folk on that are not asking .. they're basically begging. And taking that shit right from our pocket.
Welfare is far from the only thing that I consider a handout. Many mooch on our system
I 100% agree with you here. I don't think the rich would mind a small drop in taxes while giving the middle class & small business the bulk of the help. This too would be VERY good for the economy, but it's not McCain's policy.
Obama wants to help the middle class out slightly more than McCain but in the big picture, the democrat's view on how to build a successful economy fails miserably ... so I'll probably reluctantly vote McCain.
Paul/Palin 2012 FTW!!!
Many things caused our deficit, it's far from just a war issue. You can start with the value of the dollar thanks to the inflation due to printing money out of thin air. Another issue is a failing social security system. If I'm not mistaken it's like 25% of our budget
The war gets a slice of the pie but not the biggest piece for sure, moreso longterm than this year. We've carried our deficit for decades
100% agreed again. But be careful, this very much favors the wealthy as you are taxed based on spendings not earnings. Thrifty and frugal people win here.
For an AM forum, I'd bet we've got more than a few business and finance majors floating around. The mean IQ for active members is probably pushing 120 so you are getting input from some bright people.
Using my example above ...
Wealthy: 40% - 15% = 25%
Poor: 10% - 2% = 8%
The wealthy still paying more but it's a necessary break for them. Read that "who pays the tab" parable above that AIM posted ... it's really quite good and tells the story well.
His name is Adam Kokesh from the Iraq Vetrans Against The War.
And the rally for the republic Ron Paul put on gave him about 10 minutes across town the night before.
Link to his speech there and video of him inside the RNC
YouTube - Adam Kokesh Rally For The Republic Speech & RNC Protest 2008
"Be it with your blood or ours - we have come to water the tree of liberty"
The bullshit that went on at the RNC was mind blowing. There were several duly elected delegates there that wished to vote for Ron Paul but were silenced in the name of providing a united front. But they had no problem counting the votes of the few hardcore huckabee supporters that were left. Bullshit - pure bullshit.
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