Mayweather vs Cotto
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Go die in a fire. Not really, but yeah, fuck off. Boxing has one of the the richest histories in any sport probably EVER and it will continue. It will be around for generations to come. MMA will never, ever surpass boxing in the near future. Just because of boxing's history. There's nobody in MMA yet who has broke into popular culture like Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson. I still think that's MANY years away. Try showing a random person in the street a photo of GSP or Anderson Silva next to Ali or even Pacquiao, who do you think will be recognized more? (This is all coming from somebody who watches just as much MMA as Boxing.)
Anyway, Mayweather looked slower than usual, his reflexes looked a little off and looks to be on the way down in terms of speed. If he really cares about that "0" so much, I would seriously consider hanging them up very very soon. 2-3 fights left at the most.
I think Mayweather is past his prime. Probably 4-5 years out of his physical prime. But his mind is as sharp as ever, his sheer boxing IQ got him through that fight. If he continues to push his luck against good fighters he WILL take a loss sooner than later. The Cotto fight was tougher than I expected, but of course I expected May win handily which he did. He only dropped 3 rounds according to two judges and 2 rounds according to another.
Manny is a tough fight and still has lightning speed and insane cardio. But he's been outboxed by Eric Morales and arguably JMM on multiple occasions. Mayweather can still outbox him but he needs to come into the shape of his life if he were to fight Manny. This Mayweather who showed up tonight would get worked by Pacquiao IMO.
Cotto looked good too, he was a drained figher against Pacquiao and had to cut a lot of weight. Against Floyd, he was much closer to his natural weight. Plus Cotto has improved as a fighter since the Pacquiao fight which is why Floyd had a tougher time with him than Pacquiao did.
If there's anytime Pacquiao can beat Mayweather, it's now.
Manny of ANY era would lose to Mayweather in his prime. You'd probably have to go back to the 80's to find fighters who could match up skill for skill with Floyd. (Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Aaron Pryor, Tommy Hearns etc.)
Below is Mayweather at his absolute peak when he was a lightweight. (130lbs) He fights 15 pounds heavier now, so obviously in 2012 he looks slow as shit compared to the fighter below.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ19BKwWrEY]Mayweather vs Diego Corrales (RIP) highlights - YouTube[/ame]
The only problems with boxing are the ranking/match-making system and the un-unified titles/belts. I like boxing a helluva lot more than MMA. That's just: on your mark, get set, kill each other. Maybe that has more "dimension", but in my mind that's much further from sport and closer to brutally idiotic chaos.
Boxing is more refined. You may be limited to throwing punches, but that puts a tremendous amount of focus on a more specialized art. I enjoy that. Not to mention MMA is a bit too brutal for my taste. I think of collegiate wrestling the same way.
What is it about MMA that people love so much? The fact that there are practically no rules? The fact that it's more violent? If that's what made sports better, Lebron would be drop-kicking Kobe, soccer/futbol players would be running around with the ball in their hands, baseball players would be hitting eachother with their bats, and hockey players would be... well, nevermind.
It's not shitty. It's not one-dimensional. It's not on it's way out. You just don't happen to prefer it. I could just as easily say that MMA is a shitty barbaric sport for people with no taste. But that's not true. I just don't prefer it.
Boxing is the most corrupt sport I know of, and has been throughout its history. And until they unify the belts, they will never grow their appeal to younger fans who don't care as much about the history of the sport. They didn't grow up watching Tyson dominate the heavyweight division or see any of the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran fights.
It's probably too late because younger fans are already sold on MMA, but what killed boxing was too many belts in too many divisions and pay per view which alienated too many fans that didn't want to pay to watch fights. They don't have to pay to watch the Super Bowl, March Madness, NBA, MLB NHL etc - why the fuck would they pay to watch boxing?
The last time we paid for a fight was Tyson vs. Golata back in 2000. We paid like $60 to watch a couple of fights by people we never heard of and then when the Tyson fight finally started 2 hours later Golata quit in the 2nd round. Haven't watched a fight since. Fuck boxing, good riddance.
That's all it has, history. The current state of boxing and its future is over there in the shit stained truck stop stall, getting fucked in the mouth by SeaBass.
Yeah boxing is way more refined. With the fixed fights, corruption, cheating, Don King, and all these bitch ass boxers who mostly talk talk talk. Quite the gentlemen's sport. HERE HERE.
Yeah boxing has rampant corruption, but that's only because theres millions upon millions of dollars going into each fight. Money corrupts all.
If you don't think MMA won't have the same fate later on or hasn't had fights fixed before, you're crazy. PRIDE was pretty much a cesspool of corruption and the way the UFC handled it's takeover was dodgy as fuck. Once the Jon Jones' and the Jose Aldo's of the world start getting paid 20-30 million a fight, you can bet your dick there will be some shady shit going on. Hell, the people who own the UFC (Fertittas) come from one of the most notorious crime families North America has ever seen. But I do think when it comes to the UFC, they are running it a lot more legitimately than boxing.
The UFC have an advantage because it's a unified league and it can be organized like the NBA, NHL or NFL. It's pretty much consensus that a UFC champion is the best in the world in their respective weight class. Whereas in boxing, you have WBA, WBO, IBF, WBC, NABO etc. world title belts and some weight classes are separated by 3-4 pounds which is fucking ridiculous.
Having said that, Boxing is FAR from dead. There are many good fights on every week. For example the recent super six tournament was great and there are awesome fighters from the lighter weights putting on great fights. Just check out Brandon Rios or Nonito Donaire.
Also, Boxing is an Olympic sport, which means talent will NOT stop developing. Stars are born and bred everyday and I'd rather watch an elite level boxing fight than an NFL or NBA game any day of the fucking week.
Plus, Boxing is still huge in other parts of the world. Just because it's dwindling in the USA, it doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't interested. Just like when the Superbowl is on. America literally stops when that shit is on, meanwhile, the rest of the world could give a fuck.
Klitschko can sell out arenas with no problems in Europe, plus its viewed in MILLIONS of homes worldwide, much more than the UFC.
Last PPV event you bought was Tyson VS Golata? You do realize not every boxing event is on PPV right? Friday Night Fights is free on ESPN and Showtime has many boxing events on every year. I'm not even American and I know this. These often feature sick fights with legitimate world titles on the line.
And, good riddance to boxing? I say good riddance to stupid ass uneducated fans who don't appreciate the art which goes on in the ring and only watch when Floyd or Pacquiao are fighting. I never see threads when Andre Ward, Sergio Martinez or Nonito Donaire fight and they are just as good as Floyd or Pacquiao at what they do.
If you don't think MMA won't have the same fate later on or hasn't had fights fixed before, you're crazy. PRIDE was pretty much a cesspool of corruption and the way the UFC handled it's takeover was dodgy as fuck. Once the Jon Jones' and the Jose Aldo's of the world start getting paid 20-30 million a fight, you can bet your dick there will be some shady shit going on. Hell, the people who own the UFC (Fertittas) come from one of the most notorious crime families North America has ever seen. But I do think when it comes to the UFC, they are running it a lot more legitimately than boxing.
The UFC have an advantage because it's a unified league and it can be organized like the NBA, NHL or NFL. It's pretty much consensus that a UFC champion is the best in the world in their respective weight class. Whereas in boxing, you have WBA, WBO, IBF, WBC, NABO etc. world title belts and some weight classes are separated by 3-4 pounds which is fucking ridiculous.
Having said that, Boxing is FAR from dead. There are many good fights on every week. For example the recent super six tournament was great and there are awesome fighters from the lighter weights putting on great fights. Just check out Brandon Rios or Nonito Donaire.
Also, Boxing is an Olympic sport, which means talent will NOT stop developing. Stars are born and bred everyday and I'd rather watch an elite level boxing fight than an NFL or NBA game any day of the fucking week.
Plus, Boxing is still huge in other parts of the world. Just because it's dwindling in the USA, it doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't interested. Just like when the Superbowl is on. America literally stops when that shit is on, meanwhile, the rest of the world could give a fuck.
Klitschko can sell out arenas with no problems in Europe, plus its viewed in MILLIONS of homes worldwide, much more than the UFC.
Last PPV event you bought was Tyson VS Golata? You do realize not every boxing event is on PPV right? Friday Night Fights is free on ESPN and Showtime has many boxing events on every year. I'm not even American and I know this. These often feature sick fights with legitimate world titles on the line.
And, good riddance to boxing? I say good riddance to stupid ass uneducated fans who don't appreciate the art which goes on in the ring and only watch when Floyd or Pacquiao are fighting. I never see threads when Andre Ward, Sergio Martinez or Nonito Donaire fight and they are just as good as Floyd or Pacquiao at what they do.
That's because nobody cares, or even know who those guys are. That is the fault of boxing. You can't grow your sport when all you do is fracture it into a shit load of divisions and belts and make people pay to watch events when more popular sports don't.
Sports is marketing. People tune in to watch LeBron because of the story line pushed by the NBA and ESPN, not because of talent. You don't see people going up to the park to watch guys play basketball, because there is no story line, and the same goes for every major sport. Boxing can't get a good story line going when all they do is fracture the sport (with too many divisions and belts) and limit viewership by forcing them to pay to watch the better fights.
Yep, and I don't even care in the slightest, If I wanted to talk about those dudes I'd post on a boxing forum. There are still millions out there watching good fights and that's enough to keep the sport alive. Just because Americans think boxing is dying, it doesn't make it so.
Even if Boxing has the viewership of Curling or Darts, I will still continue watching. People are literally hopping off the bandwagon because nobody is talking about it and move onto the next thing.
I could give a shit about people putting a ball in a net, just like some people could give a shit about people punching each other in the mouth.
This is a boxing thread and people came in here to diss it for no fucking reason other than it's "one dimensional" or "MMA RULZ"
Don't like it? Don't watch it, but there are millions who do care about it. Go back to watching dudes trying to put a ball in a net or trying to get a ball over a line.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BP4zfqmB4&feature=related]Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Miguel Cotto - Full Fight - YouTube[/ame]
from a friend's facebook lmao:
"May 5th, 2012. Death of boxing. RIP. When you have Justin beiber accompanying your sport's champ, your sport is dead"
boxing is an awesome sport no doubt, but MMA just brings so much more consistent excitement to the table imo. i'll always watch some boxing fights, but i follow MMA religiously. imo there is A LOT more technical skill involved in MMA vs boxing, so you really can't say it is "anything goes". i think MMA wins because the ENTIRE SPORT OF BOXING'S TECHNIQUE IS BUT ONE ELEMENT OF MANY IN ANY GIVEN MMA FIGHT. to me that is hard to argue going forward with the boxing talent we see in many top mma fighters today, but i am saying that acknowledging boxing is a fantastic sport to partake in AND watch.
"May 5th, 2012. Death of boxing. RIP. When you have Justin beiber accompanying your sport's champ, your sport is dead"
boxing is an awesome sport no doubt, but MMA just brings so much more consistent excitement to the table imo. i'll always watch some boxing fights, but i follow MMA religiously. imo there is A LOT more technical skill involved in MMA vs boxing, so you really can't say it is "anything goes". i think MMA wins because the ENTIRE SPORT OF BOXING'S TECHNIQUE IS BUT ONE ELEMENT OF MANY IN ANY GIVEN MMA FIGHT. to me that is hard to argue going forward with the boxing talent we see in many top mma fighters today, but i am saying that acknowledging boxing is a fantastic sport to partake in AND watch.
0:33:45 - that's a hilarious punch to the face
That was actually a great fight. Lots of Mayweather fights have been more tactical, but this had a ton of action.
That was actually a great fight. Lots of Mayweather fights have been more tactical, but this had a ton of action.
So I just watched the fight.
1st - Can this old cracker fuck cry a few more times about how much money cockfeather makes per fight? This guy part of OWS or some shit? STFU about how much he makes already. I started watching from around round 8 and he brought it up twice in 4 rounds.
2nd - Why is that old fuck even still broadcasting? When he interviews the fighters at the end it takes him like 10 minutes to compile his thoughts and ask a question.
3rd - Another boxing match, another decision. Who would have thought...
4th - The fact these guys can consistently go 12 rounds without getting KO'd, or usually even knocked down, is fucking stupid. Take the pillows off your hands and fucking fight.
Fuck, I miss Jones Jr. and Tyson...boxing really is dead. Who's the new Tyson? Klitschko? Lol.
MMA has a lot of boring fighters as well like the wrestlers who just lay on people for 3-5 rounds, but boxing literally breeds boring fighters. If it wasn't for Floyd's big ass mouth and antics he'd be just as boring as everyone else.
EDIT: Mayweather FTW: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mryFz8C9AHk"]Floyd Mayweather cusses out Larry Merchant - YouTube[/ame]
1st - Can this old cracker fuck cry a few more times about how much money cockfeather makes per fight? This guy part of OWS or some shit? STFU about how much he makes already. I started watching from around round 8 and he brought it up twice in 4 rounds.
2nd - Why is that old fuck even still broadcasting? When he interviews the fighters at the end it takes him like 10 minutes to compile his thoughts and ask a question.
3rd - Another boxing match, another decision. Who would have thought...
4th - The fact these guys can consistently go 12 rounds without getting KO'd, or usually even knocked down, is fucking stupid. Take the pillows off your hands and fucking fight.
Fuck, I miss Jones Jr. and Tyson...boxing really is dead. Who's the new Tyson? Klitschko? Lol.
MMA has a lot of boring fighters as well like the wrestlers who just lay on people for 3-5 rounds, but boxing literally breeds boring fighters. If it wasn't for Floyd's big ass mouth and antics he'd be just as boring as everyone else.
EDIT: Mayweather FTW: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mryFz8C9AHk"]Floyd Mayweather cusses out Larry Merchant - YouTube[/ame]
This is a fucking fighter:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWP72xnqpk&feature=related"]Roy Jones Jr. At His Best - YouTube[/ame]
An entertainer AND a closer. Jones delivers.
Mayweather has 4 KOs in his Career. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather,_Jr.
Jones had 12 and the most of the rest were TKOs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr.
Tyson's entire Career was made of TKOs and KOs until he fell off and started losing to everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson
Where are all the exciting fighters? I mean, Floyd is a good entertainer via his shit talking...but he doesn't deliver in the ring. He's like GSP with MMA, he does what he has to do to win. If GSP has to lay ontop of a guy for 5 round sto win then that's what he does, I can't blame him, but the shit is boring. I'm not sure if GSP has had an exciting fight since he first won the belt. Then when he lost the belt to Serra he went into super homo mode and became even more lame.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWP72xnqpk&feature=related"]Roy Jones Jr. At His Best - YouTube[/ame]
An entertainer AND a closer. Jones delivers.
Mayweather has 4 KOs in his Career. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather,_Jr.
Jones had 12 and the most of the rest were TKOs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr.
Tyson's entire Career was made of TKOs and KOs until he fell off and started losing to everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson
Where are all the exciting fighters? I mean, Floyd is a good entertainer via his shit talking...but he doesn't deliver in the ring. He's like GSP with MMA, he does what he has to do to win. If GSP has to lay ontop of a guy for 5 round sto win then that's what he does, I can't blame him, but the shit is boring. I'm not sure if GSP has had an exciting fight since he first won the belt. Then when he lost the belt to Serra he went into super homo mode and became even more lame.
It was an entertaining fight. Cotto definitely gave him some what of a run. I think even Mayweather was surprised of how well Cotto fought.
Jones was undoubtedly one of the best ever and most exciting to watch. But:
- Statistically, there are ALWAYS more knockouts in the heavier weight classes. That's why from a fan perspective, heavyweight has historically been the most popular weight class. Jones started at 154 and went all the way up to heavyweight. Mayweather started at 130 and this was his first fight at 154. He only weighed in at 151.
- Mayweather has been criticized for not going for more knockouts, but it's hard to argue with an undefeated record. With any sport, fans want to see excitement, but the #1 priority for coaches and players is usually to win.
- I used to be a huge Mayweather fan, but the guy is a complete jack ass. For some reason I still find myself rooting for him. I don't know... I guess for the same reason people still listen to R. Kelly and Chris Brown.
