Massive shooting in Colorado during The Dark Knight, 14 dead

I can't understand why political campaigns and speeches in the US are so dramatised. Here in Britain we don't get Cameron touring the country giving dubious speeches prompting all sorts of vocal interaction from the crowd.

Did you all hear Barry Obama's "you didn't build your business" speech recently? Talk about pandering to the workers. How obvious is his agenda against the middle classes?
 


Has no one mentioned the fact that a large portion of the US army would side with the population? I know many will not carry out gun confiscations or shoot on armed civilians if/when the time comes.

I don't think anyone has mentioned the possibility of another country (not France) getting involved either.
 
Aye, if things get really bad NATO will be asked to help on US soil and that will also be when shit gets super cereal.

Foreign troops already train and conduct drills in the US and vice-versa.

All hail globalisation!
 
Soon after it happened Obama gave a speech. What struck me was how often, and how sure he was that "we will never know" why the guy did it. The paranoid side of my brain was tingling to say the least. It's like Obama knows for certain that even if some evidence or statements are made, they will be quickly destroyed and hidden under the carpet. He seemed pretty certain that we will never know.

Keep in mind, this was soon after the incident. Long before they got into the guys apartment and had any time to start an investigation. How could anyone be so certain at that point in time?

Colorado Theater Shooting President Obama Addresses Nation Full Speech - YouTube


If you take this, along with the near non-stop MSM coverage of the same information for the last several days, it does make you wonder.

Honestly, even school shootings never got this much coverage. I mean, granted, the guy has his place booby-trapped, but come on. There are so many other things that should be concentrated on than this incident. So obviously it's being used to cover-up some shady dealings that are currently happening.
 
I find it interesting that not all mass shootings are televised or hyped up in the media. When someone walks into a police station and shoots it up you never hear about it. It's like the media want us to fixate on this. Alarm bells.
 
Personally, I'd be aiming for the guy with the AR15, not a handgun.

Dark movie theatre. What, an hour in to the movie? Smoke bomb gets thrown in and shots go off. Sorry, I can't immediately identify the type of firearm just by listening to the sound of the gunshot. Perhaps you have a better ear for these kinds of things.

1 armed citizen (A) might see who the original gunman is and attempt to return fire but other armed citizens may only see citizen A and open fire in his(her) direction, etc etc etc.

I love how people just immediately think they are fucking trained combat soliders and would react in a calm and collected manner.

I stick to my original thought. If you think an Armed Public could have prevented this, you're a fucking moron. The more likely scenario would be a bloodbath worse than the one that happened.
 
Lol, were you expecting logic from a guy who puts apostrophes in "sees?"


You got me. Bad grammar. What can I say? Working in AM, and as an aside, Godbless retarded Americans who line my wallets, I'm constantly subjected to American bastardization of the English language. You see "see's" one too many times and you actually begin to use it.

I need to step away from Americana for awhile and reclaim my intelligence.
 
Or..... maybe... JUST MAYBE..... we just fire at the guy who flung the gas canister in, who is dressed in fully body armor, and a gas mask, and who opens fire with an ar-15 in the air right before he starts shooting everyone...


I dunno though, could be tricky.

Ha! Looks like we got another gamer on here who thinks life is like Call of Duty.

Hmm....1 hour in to the movie...a good movie at that. I'm sure you attention would be on the flick, so when a FUCKING SMOKE BOMB gets thrown in and shots start getting fired, why do just automatically assume the Armed Public will be acting in a calm cool and calculated manner?
 
lol, I forgot that you can't troll most people, because they're too stupid. The whole Citizen A, Citizen B, Citizen C taking each other out is obviously a joke that people are taking seriously.

If someone comes into a movie theater, guns blazing with obvious body armor on, and someone is CCW, I would assume they'd be on the floor or trying to be as discreet as possible while firing at the assailant in order to get off as many shots as possible before becoming the focus of his attention.


Meh, I really wasn't joking about it when I said it. The example is a but extreme, but I wanted to paint a picture that, in an already panic and chaotic environment, I am quite sure that someone with their own firearm would start shooting the wrong person. And then someone else would see the wrong person get shot...etc etc.
 
That post wasn't specifically aimed at you. You were just at the end of an idiotic conversational thread started by Trickydick or w/e the fuck his name is... who looked a lot more like a douchebag/dumbass than a legitimate troll.


You know, I would have a lot more respect for you if you just called me Trickydick. Saying "Trickydick, or w/e his name is" is just gay. You know my name bitch.

BTW, I'm not a douche and not trying to troll. Being quite serious. Americans can go fucking kill each other as much as they want for all I care. As long as enough of the stupid ones stick around to buy the ecigs I'm selling them.

What ticks me off is the pro Gun morons who seem to think everyone who owns a gun is a super smart intelligent professional marksman who exhibits the characteristics of a trained, veteran super solider, and can remain calm cool and collected in any circumstance, even a packed movie theatre halfway in to a highyl enertaining flick, with a smoke bomb going off and shots being fired.

Scenario 1: An armed member of the public calmly inteifies the gunman and proceeds to put a bullet in his head, just like he puts a bullet through the head of a target at his local shooting range.

Scenario 2: Chaos ensues, someone takes a shot, someone else sees a gun being fired and thinks that person is actually the gunman, etc etc...repeat until lots of innocents are killed.

Which is more likely?
 
What's with the hate towards Americans TrickyKid? As an Englishman I highly respect their constitution and culture. I wish we had the same here.

Of course it would have been difficult if not impossible for someone to have picked him off under the circumstances (dark theatre, smoke etc..) but it's naive to call people "fucking morons" if they think an armed society is a safer society.

This has little to do with weapons. The Swiss are well armed and Canada also allows citizens to be armed, but why so many firearm related deaths in the US? It's down to poverty, education and the fact that there is a completely failed state to the South with thousands pouring across the border every week.

Look at the states with the most lenient gun laws: New Hampshire, Vermont and Utah. They have the lowest gun homicide rate in the entire country. Things aren't black and white.

The fact is, murderous gunmen will go where there is least resistance: schools, malls, churches and theatres. Having "gun free zone" signs makes things worse. Taking more guns out of the hands of those who are law abiding does absolutely nothing. Make it harder for criminals to buy guns legally, they'll just go to the black market which is easy done in the US. Gun control only works in small countries with small populations. It has worked to a large degree here in Britain because we're a tiny island and have only ~60m people.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that this large cinema usually has police posted there. The night of the incident? None. Witnesses have been saying on television how these tear-gas canisters were being thrown from more than one location and that someone in the front row answered his mobile phone, got up and opened the door for this gunman. All is not as it seems.

Chill with the 5 consecutive posts bro.
 
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I love how people just immediately think they are fucking trained combat soliders and would react in a calm and collected manner.

People trained in handgun combat can group 10 rounds of .45 ACP in a 6" clusters from 10 yards in two to three seconds. That will lay anyone out if they have a car door welded to their nipples. They check downline before pulling the trigger. They understand how to leverage angles, obstructions, reloading. They don't just pop off as you imagine.

It sounds like you don't really appreciate how many people actually train on the arms they carry and how responsible the vast, vast majority of concealed carry firearm owners are with their tools. If you carry concealed chances are you are more than just a guy with a gun.
 
His point was that had people in those countries been armed, the nazis would have been stopped from within.

Oh really? The military experts seem to think that the main reason Germany fell apart was because of the acts of aggression displayed towards the Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Had Germany focused on one first, and then the other, history may have been written differently.

With that said, it was difficult for Great Britain and Soviet Union and their respective militaries to stop Germany. What makes you think any armed peasants and farmers would have made any difference?
 
You've misunderstood TrickyKid. He's not talking about a civilian offensive, he's talking about civilian defence.

The reason Germany failed was because of their attack on the USSR, nothing to do with us Brits.

You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
- Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II.
 
Interesting thoughts regarding the odds of an armed civilian with firearms training taking Holmes down...

Block is a California-based firearms safety trainer, certified by multiple branches of the federal government, with 29 years of experience. I called him because I'd just written about the differences between the Aurora shootings and other incidents, cited by Rep. Louie Gohmert, where armed civilians took out killers. The question I didn't really answer: How would an armed, trained person take out a gunman like James Holmes? Block was wondering the same thing. "All you need is one person there with a gun," he said. "If this went down in Texas or Arizona, he would have died quick."

There were members of the military in the theater, and possibly more people with training. There were, however, no guns, even though Colorado is a concealed-carry state because the Century theater where this took place was a "gun-free zone."

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According to police, though, James Holmes had a series of tactical advantages. He was wearing body armor, and depending on what it was made from, it could have stopped most of the bullets fired by handguns. A ceramic plate, said Block, could stop a rifle round. "If he has a vest, you do a head shot. Body shots don't kill, headshots do." What could Holmes's riot gear helmet have stopped? "Not a darn thing. If I make a head shot I'm gonna go for soft tissue." Failing that, "I'll go for the pelvic girdle. You put three or four rounds in the pelvic girdle, you have fixed the problem".

More here.
 
In other news, JoePa no longer holds the record for most wins.

:party-smiley-004:

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*damn, college doesn't seem so tough now*
 
Now that we're 5 pages into this mess, here are two videos for a bit of levity...


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