Massive shooting in Colorado during The Dark Knight, 14 dead

schockergd said:
US data was 2010,
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It actually looks like 2008 according the FBI site. The only reason I'm pointing this out is because the rate for Vermont looked abnormally high to me, which it was in 2008. They've only had a homicide rate that high in 3 of the last 25 years.

Not all murders are done with guns of course; 2010 stats for the firearm ones at :

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

Notice for 2010 that Vermont had 1 total, giving them the lowest rate at .32
 


lukep said:
^No, young batman's parents were shot and killed at the theatre.
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Forgive me for not knowing this.

mandrake said:
Oh, sorry tyGoldberg, the parents of Bruce Wayne (who is also Batman, goldberg) were shot outside of a theater.

Here is a Yahoo source: How do Bruce Wayne's parents die? - Yahoo! Answers

As for Spiderman's parents,
--source: Richard and Mary Parker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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aha

I knew spiderman parents got killed just never knew batman's.

Thanks to you both.
 
mandrake said:
Not in the news:

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Troll be a troll. You can't magically come in and claim hardship on that bro.
 
lukep said:
@Gun haters: Governments go bad 100% of the time, bros. 100%. You can't escape it, you can only plan to survive it if it happens in your lifetime. (And guns would really come in handy then, wouldn't they?)

You poor saps that don't have freedom of gun laws, your country is closer to the top of the list.
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Sounds like you are gearing up for a civil war. Oh well, I guess it's Darwinism in action, and will cull all those with an excess of swagger over brains.

The big question is - when all the action starts, will all you armchair warriors stay and fight - or will you be running away to some other country that's safer and has gun laws? Did you know that they don't grant permission for foreigners in Thailand to carry firearms?...
 
I think the real question, teatree, is this:

Do the gun control loving Brits and Aussies in this thread have the mental capacity to contribute anything other than subjective opinions to this discussion?

I have yet to see anything of substance from any of you freedom haters.





murika fuk yea
 
teatree said:
The big question is - when all the action starts, will all you armchair warriors stay and fight - or will you be running away to some other country that's safer and has gun laws? Did you know that they don't grant permission for foreigners in Thailand to carry firearms?...
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We will of course bail. Not a single one of us wants to wage war. Thats what you will never understand. We want the guns so that government henchmen are too scared to come knocking at the door.

I could explain how guns help freedom again, but its all been said. You dont want to hear it. Thats cool. Not that good for you but youll find out for yourself.

enjoy
 
Andrew Scherer said:
I think the real question, teatree, is this:

Do the gun control loving Brits and Aussies in this thread have the mental capacity to contribute anything other than subjective opinions to this discussion?

I have yet to see anything of substance from any of you freedom haters
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What's there to say? If this was the first time this kind of thing happened, then yes, people would be providing sympathy plus constructive advice on how to ensure it doesn't happen again. All law after all is enacted after something goes wrong.

But when it happens over and over, then the suspicion is that Americans don't want to do anything to prevent these massacres.

Take a look at this picture that was circulated widely in the European press:

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Look at the blonde girl at the back - she's really enjoying all the drama, isn't she? As long as people's enjoyment of these events outstrips their horror, of course they will resist doing anything to prevent them.

It's pure Darwinism in action where inability to objectively identify threats to your wellbeing results in repeated culls. Your use of the word "freedom haters" is an example of this: you clearly believe that the probability of your govt attacking you and you needing to "defend" yourself is higher than the probability you'll get culled in one of these gun-sprees when actually it's not. As a result Americans get culled at a much higher rate than other developed nations.

Just hope you are not in the movie theatre when the next cull happens.
 
teatree said:
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Look at the blonde girl at the back - she's really enjoying all the drama, isn't she?
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Or perhaps she's just happy to see two people, one likely her friend (or mother) comforting one another, happy that her and her friends or family made it out alive..

Fucking eurotrash. GTFO.
 
Since the maximum speed limit is 65mph in my state, there is no need for fast cars like Corvettes and such. Maybe we should ban all cars that go faster than 65 MPH since it's unnecessary and going any faster is dangerous and can lead to fatal accidents.
 
Russ86 said:
Or perhaps she's just happy to see two people, one likely her friend (or mother) comforting one another, happy that her and her friends or family made it out alive..

Fucking eurotrash. GTFO.
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Exactly what I was going to say, minus the eurotrash part.
 
Chinese Government murders under Mao - 50,000,000+
German Government murders under Hitler - 12,000,000+
Russian Government murders under Stalin - 6,000,000+
Japanese Government murders under Tojo - 5,000,000+
Turkish Government murders under Enver - 2,000,000+
Cambodian Government murders under Pol Pot - 1,700,000+

All of these estimates are on the low side because documentation of citizenry was often lacking, and don't include additional deaths caused by government policies that lead to widespread disease and famine. Now compare:

Crazy guy at Batman movie - 12

So who should the citizenry really fear? The occasional lone gunman with an agenda to murder will do so whether he has guns or not. He may drive his car into a crowded restaurant, use poison, homemade explosives like the domestic terrorists did in the US state of Oklahoma, etc. But the numbers will always pale in comparison to the murder achievable by a state agency.

The cancer of European thought on this matter fails to look at the numbers above and realize that their continent and Asia are prominently featured as victims of brutal government sanctioned murder, yet the United States is noticeable absent. The reason for that is a well armed citizenry.

The reason we are always relying on the United States to police the world is because their government is much less able to turn their aggression inward, and European citizens will perpetually be victims of their own governments.
 
teatree said:
It's pure Darwinism in action where inability to objectively identify threats to your wellbeing results in repeated culls. Your use of the word "freedom haters" is an example of this: you clearly believe that the probability of your govt attacking you and you needing to "defend" yourself is higher than the probability you'll get culled in one of these gun-sprees when actually it's not. As a result Americans get culled at a much higher rate than other developed nations.

Just hope you are not in the movie theatre when the next cull happens.
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You mean like the cull's the IRA put down on your asses (I assume you're a brit) even while you had all those gun control laws? Those gun control laws worked so well, ehh? Boy, there was some Darwinism at its best right there. My guess is that over the last 50 yrs the brits have had more killings due to terrorism/crazies than the entire US. We just have such a loud and irritating media that it's publicized more.
 
wezcountry said:
I can't help but feel, based on experience, that you attract into your experience that which you dwell on the most.
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Based on what experience? You barely know me.

Why can't one of you guys make a compelling argument for why people should not have the means to defend themselves?
 
Redshield said:
Chinese Government murders under Mao - 50,000,000+
German Government murders under Hitler - 12,000,000+
Russian Government murders under Stalin - 6,000,000+
Japanese Government murders under Tojo - 5,000,000+
Turkish Government murders under Enver - 2,000,000+
Cambodian Government murders under Pol Pot - 1,700,000+
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xpathfucker said:
Genocides do occur in Africa...
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See any African countries listed there? Ever heard of Bosnia and Herzegovina? How quickly we forget history and start parroting "it can't happen to me".
 
It made sense long ago but not these days. In the days when it was drafted, people COULD overthrow the government with guns.

These days the U.S. government on both the state and federal levels is simply too well armed. There's no way a few rednecks are going to stand a chance against them. All gun standoffs eventually end with the police winning. Nobody has ever successfully defended themselves from government forces. Look at how they dealt with the David Koresh crazies in Waco Texas many moons ago. The crazy Waco compound was extremely well armed. Even in those days, there was no hesitation to use military violence on the citizens. That was in 1993, if you don't think the government has been amping up the arsenal and the army since then, you haven't been paying attention.

It gets worse every year. Soon there will be tens of thousands of armed drones in the skies of 'free' America, taking out anyone they feel is a threat. The feds have been heavily gearing up in the last decade to aggressively destroy anyone or any group that dares to resist.

I could be wrong, but I don't think having a few guns is going to make much of a difference against the present power structure. There's probably no other country in the world that has anywhere near such a well armed government. They have tons of tactical weapons, robots, vehicles etc... that make Joe Bob and his rifle look like childs play. A violent uprising in America is nothing more than suicide by cop, atf, fema, dhs, swat, army, national guard, etc....

The saddest part of it, is that all of this is 100% funded by the very people it controls.

Yeah it's a valid argument that a gun can protect you from a robbery, but I don't believe for one second that the original intention of the second amendment is valid against the current military police state.
 
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