Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin
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Document 89 Judgement https://www.scribd.com/doc/256327660/Judgement
Document 88 Order: https://www.scribd.com/doc/256327750/Order
Document 88 Order: https://www.scribd.com/doc/256327750/Order
didnt go thru the fine details of the 'whys', but it looks like the final judgement was $340,000 in damages and $75,000 in attorney’s fees. (about a third or less of what FB wanted total? around $1.5 mill.).
Yep, judge said they didn't provide receipts or enough justifications for the charges so threw them out. Looks like they botched it, it wasn't that the charges weren't justified it was that they weren't "well-pled" enough.
Probably just a few of many articles to come...
Facebook Recovers $340,000 From Accused Ad Thief | The Recorder
Facebook Recovers $340,000 From Accused Ad Thief | The Recorder
I have decided to take the initiative and try to answer questions that may interest you guys, and that I am comfortable with answering on a public forum.
First of all, I am happy that this case has home to an end. Even if Facebook was awarded a million dollar judgement today, I would still have some sort of relieve in knowing that this is an end to the uncertainty. These ten months have been stressful, especially in not knowing what is always around the corner.
Lets get right into the questions:
1) Facebook was awarded $340,000 + $75,000 in lawyer fees today, your reaction?
When I was exiting the court room, I exchanged a few words with Mrs Jennison. Her first statement to me was "Looks like you can count this as a success."; interpreting that comment only leads me to believe that Perkins is really disappointed with the outcome. Most of all, I'm sure their client Facebook won't be too pleased when they are going to collect $415,000 from me, but $320k goes straight into Perkins Coie's pocket.
2) How do think you case went overall, from start to finish?
Now as much as the BC saga was a horrible move, I can't say that it did that much harm. I came out of this lawsuit with some of my dignity still in tact. I did not throw anyone under the bus, and I didn't declare BK once I heard the $1.4mm figure. Going into default early in the case ceased the process for discovery, and I am not going to say anymore from this point since things should be self-explanatory.
3) Do you plan on paying Facebook the $415,000?
5) Anything regarding criminal action?
6) What now?
8) Did your girlfriend of nearly nine years leave you?
10) Afraid of the IRS?
11) What do you plan to do with the bad publicity on your name?
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That is what I currently have on my mind. As some member mentioned above, "I am allowing this Q&A to appease me ego, that isn't the case." I am doing it to help fill in the gaps in this lawsuit. This was a learning experience for everyone, especially myself. It knocked some sense into me, and it has already had positive affects on my personality and way of thinking. I do not regret what I have done, and I do not regret being sued - I wouldn't have learned the valuable lessons that I have learned otherwise.
I'm guessing that there will be a few members here that will try to force a reaction or confrontation with me, you are free to do so. I'm just not going to reply. I'm burnt out from all of this, I am in a happy place again, and I won't let myself engage in any confrontations.
First of all, I am happy that this case has home to an end. Even if Facebook was awarded a million dollar judgement today, I would still have some sort of relieve in knowing that this is an end to the uncertainty. These ten months have been stressful, especially in not knowing what is always around the corner.
Lets get right into the questions:
1) Facebook was awarded $340,000 + $75,000 in lawyer fees today, your reaction?
When I was exiting the court room, I exchanged a few words with Mrs Jennison. Her first statement to me was "Looks like you can count this as a success."; interpreting that comment only leads me to believe that Perkins is really disappointed with the outcome. Most of all, I'm sure their client Facebook won't be too pleased when they are going to collect $415,000 from me, but $320k goes straight into Perkins Coie's pocket.
2) How do think you case went overall, from start to finish?
Now as much as the BC saga was a horrible move, I can't say that it did that much harm. I came out of this lawsuit with some of my dignity still in tact. I did not throw anyone under the bus, and I didn't declare BK once I heard the $1.4mm figure. Going into default early in the case ceased the process for discovery, and I am not going to say anymore from this point since things should be self-explanatory.
3) Do you plan on paying Facebook the $415,000?
4) Where is all your money and/or your assets?
5) Anything regarding criminal action?
6) What now?
7) Why are you such a narcissist?
8) Did your girlfriend of nearly nine years leave you?
9) Why was your second council withdrawn?
10) Afraid of the IRS?
11) What do you plan to do with the bad publicity on your name?
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That is what I currently have on my mind. As some member mentioned above, "I am allowing this Q&A to appease me ego, that isn't the case." I am doing it to help fill in the gaps in this lawsuit. This was a learning experience for everyone, especially myself. It knocked some sense into me, and it has already had positive affects on my personality and way of thinking. I do not regret what I have done, and I do not regret being sued - I wouldn't have learned the valuable lessons that I have learned otherwise.
I'm guessing that there will be a few members here that will try to force a reaction or confrontation with me, you are free to do so. I'm just not going to reply. I'm burnt out from all of this, I am in a happy place again, and I won't let myself engage in any confrontations.
Did you consult with a criminal defense attorney regarding this? Clearly you were involved in some way. You weren't framed. You're not worried that you won't be indicted for conspiracy even if you're not the person who forged all the documents?
Also your statement that your lawyer for the civil proceedings "guaranteed" certain results makes no sense because lawyers NEVER make guarantees.
Also if you don't owe the IRS money, what's up with those chat screenshots where you were talking about owing the IRS back taxes?
Yes I have. I have spoken to a criminal defense attorney. I have been told of the probability of a criminal investigation, and also what to expect from a plea deal. Sorry, can't answer those other questions.
You're right, no lawyer offers guarantees. A guarantee is not what I meant, but when they tell you "We will get this removed for sure or Don't worry it, they'll definitely lift the motion"; I see that as being some sort of promise that they kept falling short on.
An exaggeration on my part. My tax bills for the past few years have been large, and there have been times when paying it off were difficult since I don't file quarterly, but annually - but everything was still payed off in time. This is one accusation that I can easily put to rest if needed. Any moderator can PM me, and I can show my taxes owned for the past three years, and the payments I have sent in to the IRS and local governments. I am up to date. I am already preparing my taxes for 2014, so all those documents and screenshots are easily accessible for me.
Again I never had a competent lawyer ever tell me something like that. They would give me different scenarios at best.
Also I don't understand why you can not submit evidence in your defense to a federal court. That makes no sense. The only reason I could think of is that the evidence proves that maybe you weren't directly involved with manipulating facebook employees and forging documents, but also ultimately proves that you were guilty of conspiracy.
Even that is hard to swallow though, since all the fraudulent websites and email addresses used the stackingjets.com DNS servers which is also the same DNS servers that is used by your trading website. Can you explain why that is the case?
In October you claimed that lawsuit would end in your favor. It clearly did not end in your favor since you have a judgment against you. Although the judgment is modest, it's not really a huge surprise. It was predicted by poopie.
However statements like your October statement really puts your credibility into question.
Finally the size of the judgment doesn't matter either. What's important is to deter future white collar criminals from defrauding facebook in a much more significant and sophisticated way, and the only deterrence I can see is a criminal indictment against you and your co conspirators.
I'm actually really happy for you, Grunin.
I hope you take this for what it is: a dumb luck 2nd chance after doing some really stupid shit.
Unfortunately, I think this will only bolster your borderline sociopathic egomaniac tendencies and leave you feeling largely untouchable until you do some shit that's even more stupid.
I hope for your sake I'm wrong and that you've learned from this and cherish that huge golden lucky horseshoe shoved up your ass, but I kinda doubt I am.
I hope you take this for what it is: a dumb luck 2nd chance after doing some really stupid shit.
Unfortunately, I think this will only bolster your borderline sociopathic egomaniac tendencies and leave you feeling largely untouchable until you do some shit that's even more stupid.
I hope for your sake I'm wrong and that you've learned from this and cherish that huge golden lucky horseshoe shoved up your ass, but I kinda doubt I am.
It's too early to say if Grunin actually got away with anything. For starters he still owes money that can't be discharged from a bankruptcy. If he's truly innocent, then I am not sure why he is willing to pay Facebook back.
Secondly, Judge William Alsup clearly stated that he is referring this case to the Department of Justice. Without a doubt a DOJ assistant US attorney is going to open a criminal investigation into this. I find it difficult to believe that an AUS attorney (AKA federal prosecutor) would pass up on such an easy conviction opportunity.
Even if Martin isn't the real mastermind behind this, he can still be easily convicted of something or compelled to accept a plea agreement.
Will you be starting another trading thread on here? "From $250 to $415,000 in 6 months" perhaps?
Congrats on getting that shit put behind you. You're still a young guy, and have your whole life ahead of you. What are you going to do next? Let it bury you? Or consider this most expensive education you will ever have?
If you choose not to let it bury you, I will let you in on a little secret. This setback (financial) is very similar to many divorces. I learned the other day that it takes a man 7 years to recover financially from a divorce (most women never recover). So what I am getting at is, shit is going to suck for the next 7 years, but then you will be way beyond what you can imagine.
That or you can stick a needle in your arm and piss away your youth. Either way the choice is yours, and I hope you learn and grow from it.
Mawtin I think you are a lil', narcissistic, mextrosexual, poser, toolshed pussy clown without a clue.
Now with that being said...
Deep down. Somewhere inside my sarcastic self. I have a tad of respect for you by the doggedness how you put yourself forward.
Personally, I could care less wtf the outcome you get/got personally or criminally in this whole thing...
BUT!
I think yer lil' tennis playin' suspender-wearin', egomaniac mole ass should be kudized for the entertainment, vibe, commotion, vehemence that you, yourself, and your sovereign pal, ©Brian- robert of the family: Costello, Creditor, Trustee, Secure Party, Author of the Copyright Name Trademark Claim autograph (BRIAN- ROBERT COSTELLO™), have brought to WF in the past 6-9 months that you should receive some sort of largesse remuneration from us.
I suggest you put up one of these: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/fundraising
I'll be the first to bestow!
PS - Do you think you can convince your crazy diplomat boon companion to hop on WF for a lil' QnA????
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