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Just shows you "innocent till proven guilty" gets thrown out the window if you don't play by judicial system rules. Also the Judge really didn't give Grunin much of a chance to fight the default. Requiring him to pay for FB attorney fees is sort of the nail in the coffin. I think everyone knew from the Judge to the Attorneys that is never gonna happen. Other than dealing with the whacky filings by Castello, it was a pretty easy win for FB Attorney they didn't have to provide any discovery or evidence.

From the DNS and misc. other evidence we know already, he is not innocent in any way. I'm sure the judge has seen some evidence already.
 


Just shows you "innocent till proven guilty" gets thrown out the window if you don't play by judicial system rules. Also the Judge really didn't give Grunin much of a chance to fight the default. Requiring him to pay for FB attorney fees is sort of the nail in the coffin. I think everyone knew from the Judge to the Attorneys that is never gonna happen. Other than dealing with the whacky filings by Castello, it was a pretty easy win for FB Attorney they didn't have to provide any discovery or evidence.

There is no innocent until proven guilty in civil cases. If this were a criminal case he would still be able to have his day in court before going to jail no matter how many stupid things he filed and how bad he screwed up. The case is about money and if you act like an assclown you're going to lose your civil case, end of story. You will not be allowed to waste everyone's time.
 
Just shows you "innocent till proven guilty" gets thrown out the window if you don't play by judicial system rules. Also the Judge really didn't give Grunin much of a chance to fight the default. Requiring him to pay for FB attorney fees is sort of the nail in the coffin. I think everyone knew from the Judge to the Attorneys that is never gonna happen. Other than dealing with the whacky filings by Castello, it was a pretty easy win for FB Attorney they didn't have to provide any discovery or evidence.

What Alsup is doing makes a lot of sense. If he didn't require Grunin to pay Facebook's Attorney fees (and Alsup is only requiring Grunin to pay them for their responses to the BRC motions) then it would be a valid strategy to try to run up the other sides legal bills by doing all of this stupid sovereign man stuff and then right at the last minute pretend you had no clue what you were doing and ask for forgiveness.

Imagine a scenario where both sides only had $20,000 to spend on lawyers. Side A hires a lawyer for $400/hr and Side B hires BRC for $100. Side A then has to spend $10,000 in legal bills to try to get BRC off the case. They are successful and then Side B asks for forgiveness. At that point if the default is thrown out the window, Side A now only has $10,000 left and Side B still has $19,900 meaning that Side B would be rewarded for disobeying the court by forcing Side A to waste half of their legal budget.

Basically Alsup is saying "if you disobey the rules of the court and run up the other sides legal bills in the process, you have to pay those bills", which seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
What I really want know, is the real reason why Grunin hired BRC in the first place.

I'd love to know whether it was because he was broke, or because he actually thought it was going to work. I'd like to believe its the former, but the fact that Grunin left a trail of public whois info tells me that it just might be the latter.

Are some people just born without common sense?
 
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From the DNS and misc. other evidence we know already, he is not innocent in any way. I'm sure the judge has seen some evidence already.

it doesnt matter what you know or the judge knows. it is pretty much assumed, for good reason, that you cant just get some default bullshit attached to your name and that if you want to fight it youd have to prove your innocence, after paying a couple hundred k because someone said so.

even if you pissed him off. its kind of the point of a judge to not be guided by his emotions.

he clearly tried to mess with the system. if thats a problem for the system, it can make that a criminal offense and pursue it in criminal court. judges cant just throw a tantrum because a defendant tries to pull stuff - and if they can, thats a problem.


what grunin did does not matter. hes guaranteed due process. if he raped a dozen children in an orphanage and then tried to blackmail the parents with the evidence, that would be a not so cool thing to do. doesnt matter how over the top the offense. hes guaranteed a fair trial before an impartial court/judge.


some day, youre on the wrong side of this not all that fair justice system. and then youll bitch. but it was so much fun to laugh at all these other people getting raped.

good luck
 
There is no innocent until proven guilty in civil cases. If this were a criminal case he would still be able to have his day in court before going to jail no matter how many stupid things he filed and how bad he screwed up. The case is about money and if you act like an assclown you're going to lose your civil case, end of story. You will not be allowed to waste everyone's time.

the burden of proof is always on the accusing party. civil or criminal doesnt matter.

the case certainly is about money. do you think its due process that one party pretty much says "we will ruin you, whether its been your fault or not, you just go admit whatever weve got here or well chase you through the courts for the better part of a decade". do you think thats fair? if anything, it is fair for grunin to be able to choose his weapons. facebook already declared its.

whats going on here is that facebook makes use of the system by playing the money card. nobody bats an eye. grunin doesnt have quite as much money. even if he was the real deal regarding his trading, facebook could make him surrender all his wealth if it just wanted to. either to their or his own lawyers. what he did was pretty much his only option and you fault him for that? its ok if you do. but if the court does, then thats certainly not ok.

how is it that playing the money card is not frowned upon?
 
it doesnt matter what you know or the judge knows. it is pretty much assumed, for good reason, that you cant just get some default bullshit attached to your name and that if you want to fight it youd have to prove your innocence, after paying a couple hundred k because someone said so.

even if you pissed him off. its kind of the point of a judge to not be guided by his emotions.

he clearly tried to mess with the system. if thats a problem for the system, it can make that a criminal offense and pursue it in criminal court. judges cant just throw a tantrum because a defendant tries to pull stuff - and if they can, thats a problem.


what grunin did does not matter. hes guaranteed due process. if he raped a dozen children in an orphanage and then tried to blackmail the parents with the evidence, that would be a not so cool thing to do. doesnt matter how over the top the offense. hes guaranteed a fair trial before an impartial court/judge.


some day, youre on the wrong side of this not all that fair justice system. and then youll bitch. but it was so much fun to laugh at all these other people getting raped.

good luck
He hired an imbecile to represent him. It isn't the courts fault he hired someone promising to skirt the legal system. Had he hired a real attorney that pulled all that shit, the judge would have likely given him leeway for dealing with someone that should be removed from that bar. Instead, he signed and mailed several outlandish documents.

Grunin could have actually represented himself and submitted responses to Facebook stating his case. Judges are quite lenient on regular people being sued by larger companies with a fleet of lawyers.

He could have done anything but try a be a sovereign citizen and the courts would have recognized his situation and worked with him. If he actually had an semblance of proof this wasn't actually him, Facebook would have probably even worked with him to either settle or catch the actual perpetrators. This shit isn't rocket science and there are measures in place protecting the "little guy"

the burden of proof is always on the accusing party. civil or criminal doesnt matter.

the case certainly is about money. do you think its due process that one party pretty much says "we will ruin you, whether its been your fault or not, you just go admit whatever weve got here or well chase you through the courts for the better part of a decade". do you think thats fair? if anything, it is fair for grunin to be able to choose his weapons. facebook already declared its.

whats going on here is that facebook makes use of the system by playing the money card. nobody bats an eye. grunin doesnt have quite as much money. even if he was the real deal regarding his trading, facebook could make him surrender all his wealth if it just wanted to. either to their or his own lawyers. what he did was pretty much his only option and you fault him for that? its ok if you do. but if the court does, then thats certainly not ok.

how is it that playing the money card is not frowned upon?
Disillusion, you are.

It's clear you have no experience in these matters.
Case would/could have gone to trial and with assistance from an attorney fought this for around 10k-15k....instead he spent 10k in his stock market challenge right before.

People overestimate the experience and knowledge required to defend yourself prior to court proceedings. You should use an attorney if you have the money, but you can easily navigate the process without one until it's time to litigate.
 
it doesnt matter what you know or the judge knows. it is pretty much assumed, for good reason, that you cant just get some default bullshit attached to your name and that if you want to fight it youd have to prove your innocence, after paying a couple hundred k because someone said so.

What the hell are you rambling about? This is a civil case. If I claim you owe me money and I sue you and you refuse to show up to court, what do you think happens? if you get a speeding ticket and you don't show up to your court date, what do you think happens?

He had every opportunity to file a statement of defence, instead he denied the court's existence, denied his own existence, tried to extort the other party, and called all judges pedos.


even if you pissed him off. its kind of the point of a judge to not be guided by his emotions. he clearly tried to mess with the system. if thats a problem for the system, it can make that a criminal offense and pursue it in criminal court. judges cant just throw a tantrum because a defendant tries to pull stuff - and if they can, thats a problem.
Read Cardine's post for a logical explanation of why you shouldn't be allowed to file frivolous documents, run up the other side's legal bills, waste taxpayer money, and then claim ignorance.

This case had nothing to do with the judge "throwing a tantrum", and everything to do with the defendant acting like a total moron. He 100% had a chance to defend himself in court, and he chose not to take it.


what grunin did does not matter.
Actually, what you do in court does in fact matter. That's why they have a courthouse...and court clerks...and court reporters...and lawyers..and judges..and statutes governing court procedures...and mountains of procedural paperwork documenting every minute aspect of the process.

hes guaranteed due process.
He had due process. He was entitled to file a statement of defence and he chose not exercise that right.

if he raped a dozen children in an orphanage and then tried to blackmail the parents with the evidence, that would be a not so cool thing to do. doesnt matter how over the top the offense. hes guaranteed a fair trial before an impartial court/judge.
You're not making any sense. The standard of proof is completely different in a criminal case. This isn't a criminal case.

some day, youre on the wrong side of this not all that fair justice system. and then youll bitch. but it was so much fun to laugh at all these other people getting raped.
The justice system has plenty of flaws. This case does not expose any of them. If anything, this is an example of the legal system working remarkably well.
 
what he did was pretty much his only option and you fault him for that? its ok if you do. but if the court does, then thats certainly not ok.

Only option eh?

I have undeniable proof that I was not responsible for it. That it was not ME.

Thankfully I have all the evidence I need on my side. I am not sweating bullets, I am sleeping like a baby every single night, and I'll get through this with no issues. If Facebook asks kindly enough then I can dig up the name of the person that used me as a scapegoat.
 
Did Grunin file anything yesterday to meet the Judges deadline?

Nothing filed:
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I kinda suspect wayne is Grunin on a new account (or at a minimum, someone equally retarded). He started spamming his stupid shit when the "official" Grunin account went quiet on this thread. Looks like 3 more days until Judgement arrives. Grunin probably knew the case was lost at the start and merely wanted to play for extra freedom time.
 
I kinda suspect wayne is Grunin on a new account (or at a minimum, someone equally retarded). He started spamming his stupid shit when the "official" Grunin account went quiet on this thread. Looks like 3 more days until Judgement arrives. Grunin probably knew the case was lost at the start and merely wanted to play for extra freedom time.

Wayne isn't Grunin. Their styles are totally different, and Wayne has some appreciation for the hard sciences which Grunin is totally clueless about.
 
This is ending up like the 3 hobbit movies, we are at the epic battle of the five armies conclusion

Well, had Martin just stopped (Ridden the fucking eagles in the first place, AKA do what FB asked and just simply stopped without any pending litigation.) that whole fight would have never happened.

Now, he's going to be tasting Orc cock for the next 5-15.
 
Can someone TLDR this real quick, since I really only know about WF Elliot Rodger from 2 things

Martin's a scumbag no doubt, but it's also not fair to compare him to Elliot Rodger.

Sorry for the rant, just thought it was worth mentioning after seeing the reference a couple times.
 
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