Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin

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lol sovereign citizen tasered at the end
[ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU"]Sovereign Citizen Get Tased Trying To Enter Courtroom - YouTube[/ame]

another badass
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and.....
[ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6leakkrbX4"]'Sovereign Citizen' Allegedly Launches Full-Blown Assault on Atlanta Courthouse - YouTube[/ame]
 

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mgrunin....
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you've "successfully" conned FB so you feel confident you can con the courts? at best you've delayed things a bit, but at what cost. you are now officially a 'domestic terrorist' in the eyes of the guvmt. (i.e. sovereign citizen, freemen on the land movement). they now have plenty of signed documents you've sent in to prove it.
 
Watching those videos, reading those documents...
Judges and all of the rest of the law people must HATE dealing with those idiots.

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Is there any basis to that freeman type stuff or is it taken outta context by retards?

The US is based on the concept of collective sovereignty of all US citizens rather than having one reigning sovereign like the Queen of England. By voting in a US election, the citizens of the US are expressing their collective sovereignty in electing their representatives.

Also you can setup a strawman in the sense that you can form a corporation which acts as a separate legal person from you, follow corporate formalities to protect your corporate veil from being pierced, and enjoy limited liability protections. Limited liability protections can't protect you from criminal prosecution if there is overwhelming evidence that you committed criminal acts as the controlling shareholder. But there are many cases where a properly formed corporation can protect you as an individual from civil lawsuits filed against your corporate entity and vice versa.

However what the idiot gurus are hawking is pseudo legal nonsense and it will not fly with any judge as a valid form of legal defense. Martin is an idiot and his defense will not work. He also doesn't have any form of incorporated entity. Your birth certificate is not for a corporation. Corporations have charters, not birth certificates.
 
The souvereign citizens mix and match a lot of misunderstandings.

Like personhood, legal corporate personhood, agency for a corporation...
Add a misunderstanding of what a federal government is, and myths like "When the US gave up the gold standard, it ceased being a lawful nation" or "There is some kind of bond/account with unlimited funds for everyone..but it is secret"

This is how you get that weird result of "The judges aren't judges", "I don't have to follow US laws, as the US is not a legal entity", "I am not an agent of ::emp:: I am, :_:emp:_: of the emp family", "Here is my seal:
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They "teach" the secret to become "souvereign" in seminars, DVD's, guru courses... to idiots, bedazzling them with strange quasi-legal mumbo-jumbo.

Basically, it is "guru" skullfuckery and scams all the way down.

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Grunin is going to get skullfucked pretty hard too. That's what he gets for his low intellect, poor education, and massive ego that makes him think that he's some sort of genius.

He deserves everything coming to him.

If I was a judge and that lil' narcassitic prick, still in diapers, came into my courtroom and outright referred to me a child molester...

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I can only imagine how Honorable Charles R. Breyer took it after reading those accusations.

I'd say Gruster just crossed the personal line there.
 
God I hope the 1 in 10,000 chance of him getting out of it happens. Simply so that I can witness the shit storm of his "I told you so" thread.

Edit: let's make that 1 in 100,000
 
God I hope the 1 in 10,000 chance of him getting out of it happens. Simply so that I can witness the shit storm of his "I told you so" thread.

Edit: let's make that 1 in 100,000

The good news is that if Mgrunin does get out of this; we can all declare sovereignty and be our own Kings with diplomatic immunity and all the other wonderful trappings of Statehood!

Also your odds are way off my friend. You need to be thinking Powerball Mega Millions odds.
 
You need to be thinking Powerball Mega Millions odds.

Martin Grunin needs to pray that the Judge has a mini stroke or some kind of sudden cognitive problem that somehow compels the Judge to swallow the load of shit that Grunin is selling and then rule in The Grunin's favor.

However even in that best case scenario, Facebook will have the opportunity to appeal at a higher court. Grunin's best shot at this would be if the Supreme Court went full retard and dismissed the lawsuit against MARTIN GRUNIN while tacitly approving Martin: Grunin's full sovereign status.
 
As the saying goes, I don't have a dog in this race since I'm not friends with the guy, but he's never fucked me over on anything directly, so I don't have any reason to hate his guts either.

With that having been said, do people really do shit like this and think that they will get away with it? I'm appalled.
 
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