Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin
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At first glance it seems unbelievable that somebody would commit fraud to get a 6 figure line of credit to sell and not even bother to cover their tracks. But I think the subtext of this whole mess is that this industry (“affiliate marketing”) is specifically set up to blind inexperienced people with the promise of big riches, notoriety and respect, and then exploit them for all they are worth – getting them to be the face of whatever shady activities are going on.
It's pretty obvious this guy got caught up in all that (assuming he is guilty), and I'm sure he was getting all kind of 'props' in Skype groups from people buying his obviously fraudulently obtained ad agency accounts. These people would have known he was putting himself at big risk and wouldn't have cared, because it allowed them to profitably cloak exposes on Ellen's lies and other oh-so-gangsta activities.
And I bet some of those same people are in this thread crying crocodile tears over those poor marketing companies he assumed the identity of. And then even calling out Maxbounty for providing easy access to questionable but profitable offers, despite how much money they have made for affiliates (money that changed families’ lives or even whole communities for people who had no other way to make money). Everything is a grey area when it comes to money making, and you're either able to deal with that or not.
Claiming rebills and other offers are somehow out of step with the deceptive and unfair practices that modern commerce is based on is embarrassingly delusional. If you don't think commerce is unfair and deceptive, look into the history of any big company - sweatshop slaves, over-hyped IPOs, insider trading, laundering money, knowingly providing faulty/addictive products, price fixing, nepotism, bribery ("lobbying") is all just a day at work in business.
This guy was a victim of a culture (it goes beyond IM) that glorifies being selfish and greedy and making money by any means but then abandons you as soon as you slip up. Even if you can't escape this system, you can at least acknowledge what is going on instead of pretending it's just the case of a fool making stupid mistakes with no context.
It's pretty obvious this guy got caught up in all that (assuming he is guilty), and I'm sure he was getting all kind of 'props' in Skype groups from people buying his obviously fraudulently obtained ad agency accounts. These people would have known he was putting himself at big risk and wouldn't have cared, because it allowed them to profitably cloak exposes on Ellen's lies and other oh-so-gangsta activities.
And I bet some of those same people are in this thread crying crocodile tears over those poor marketing companies he assumed the identity of. And then even calling out Maxbounty for providing easy access to questionable but profitable offers, despite how much money they have made for affiliates (money that changed families’ lives or even whole communities for people who had no other way to make money). Everything is a grey area when it comes to money making, and you're either able to deal with that or not.
Claiming rebills and other offers are somehow out of step with the deceptive and unfair practices that modern commerce is based on is embarrassingly delusional. If you don't think commerce is unfair and deceptive, look into the history of any big company - sweatshop slaves, over-hyped IPOs, insider trading, laundering money, knowingly providing faulty/addictive products, price fixing, nepotism, bribery ("lobbying") is all just a day at work in business.
This guy was a victim of a culture (it goes beyond IM) that glorifies being selfish and greedy and making money by any means but then abandons you as soon as you slip up. Even if you can't escape this system, you can at least acknowledge what is going on instead of pretending it's just the case of a fool making stupid mistakes with no context.
Ban me for a different opinion than yours?
I guess what I had to say hit a nerve?
I don't expect a forum full of scammers to take my side however those in the media watching this thread may appreciate the color I provide on the topic
Ban me and prove that wicked fire is a haven for scammers since anyone who questions gets an instaban
Damn!
I totally thought Macgruber was legit, I mean how many people bashing him in this thread were putting him up on the baller pedestal and licking his boots not so long ago?
I'm not gonna claim that "I always knew he was fishy" like some others are doing. If you didn't have the balls to call it before he got busted you should probably keep your mouth shut.
Kudo's to those that did have the balls to call it though, I'm sure they know who they are.
I totally thought Macgruber was legit, I mean how many people bashing him in this thread were putting him up on the baller pedestal and licking his boots not so long ago?
I'm not gonna claim that "I always knew he was fishy" like some others are doing. If you didn't have the balls to call it before he got busted you should probably keep your mouth shut.
Kudo's to those that did have the balls to call it though, I'm sure they know who they are.
WF is not full of scammers. We typically weed them out very quickly. Now had you said spammers...
Pretty much. Getting offended by a word of racial content means you are racist.
Sorry to say it.
Rebills have been around long before the internet. Maybe you're too young, but I remember the "12 CD's for a penny" promotions from Columbia House. Everybody knew there was a catch, but we just couldn't pass up on 12 CD's for a penny. And when the CD's kept coming at "regular price" (ie almost double what you would actually pay in the store), we clamored for ways to cancel and get out of that rebill. Why? Because we were greedy little fucks that wanted something for nothing, and when it came time to pay the piper all of a sudden we conveniently saw ourselves as victims.
Fuck that and fuck you.
On what planet can a person reasonable expect that a company is just going to give them free shit with no strings attached? Or that you can really expect to get $70 worth of product X for just $1 because...the company is made up of a bunch of charitable motherfuckers?
Every cable promotion that doubles in price 12 months from now long after the consumer has forgotten the terms of the deal, every credit card offer that starts off at 0% only to skyrocket to usurious rates in 6-12 months, every adjustable rate mortgage, every "free phone" from AT&T that comes with a lock tight 2 year contract attached etc, etc, etc - how is any of that different? Because billion dollar companies are the beneficiaries instead of some poor schlep trying to put food on the table with internet monies?
Fuck you, you self righteous twat. I'm sorry you didn't read the terms of the deal that you knew were too good to be true because you were either too fucking lazy or too arrogant to give a shit, and you got stuck with a $69 charge "unexpectedly". Consider it a lesson. So go shed your fucking tears to Chase Bank, AT&T, Comcast Cable and ever other big company that's been rebilling your bitch ass your whole life, because nobody here gives a fuck about your $69 bottle of berries.
You serious, bro?
Despite some people's inability to read through an entire post and comprehend the points made, I stand by my opinion. Marketing is 100% based on deception and making people believe a product/service is significantly better than it really is.
Not going to further support that with examples as I had plenty in my initial post, and really, it seems pointless to try and reason with anyone who thinks a rebill is even remotely comparable to financial fraud.
Deep down you know I'm right
The rebills and companies you mention either all CLEARLY state the terms and conditions or have been brought up on charges for not doing so. The rebills you run don't
Your advertising is built on deception not all
Turn the channel. You'll see the show you're watching isn't the only one on cable
Columbia house clearly states it's terms on the paper you didn't read when you were 8
Also cable companies state that the price goes up and you're getting in to a contract
Rebills when ran by someone like you say you can lose 30-40lbs using this trick of (place some diet pull here) and (place another diet rebill) for only $5. See what dr oz says and look at our photoshop before and after photos
Only 5 trials left ends today
Seriously bro? Take a step back it's plain out fraud and lies
And running those ads in other countries using the same deceptive means is the same fraud you just think the FTC can get you but if you're on US soil you're wrong
What Dr. Oz has said to me goes something like this:
"It's perfectly fine to exploit the insecurities of a nation full of bon-bon eating soccer mommies to sell advertising space (COMING UP NEXT THE NEW FAT BURNING MEGA FRUIT THAT CAN HELP YOU KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF...RIGHT AFTER MY ADVERTISERS PITCH YOU), but it's totally fucking morally reprehensible to actually sell people the products I talk about. (COMING UP NEXT WE EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS TRYING TO SELL YOU THE SHIT I TOLD YOU TO TAKE ON YESTERDAY'S SHOW)"
Oz is a fucking scumbag of epic proportions who makes a mockery of his title on a daily basis by even HINTING that the fat fucking cunts who watch his garbage show have any hope of losing their saddlebags by doing anything other than going to the gym and shutting down the never ending stream of calories they stuff into their mouths.
He should be ashamed of himself for using his title as a perpetual appeal to authority, and for willfully decieving his audience on a daily basis.
I get it. You're not scammers you're virtual looters. Dr Oz does it. We can too.
Like a mob of looters in a riot
Maybe instead of being copycats which most of you are anyway copying one persons idea and justifying it by saying others do it. Be original try not outright lying on your landing pages ads etc..
You're making a lot of assumptions and blanket accusations against everyone here, so what exactly is it that you do for a living?
I'm not trying to defend anybody, since I don't know what people do or don't do.
I am going to make the point though, that if you feel like being a moral crusader, you might want to set your sights on somebody like Oz who gets on TV every day and spouts his bullshit to ~3 million people.
I understand you want to give him a pass because he's been legitimized by his stature, but all that tells me is that you're ideologcally inconsistent, as UG already pointed out.
Who do you think drives the demand for these "scammy products" you're all wound up about?
Do you think anybody had ever heard of Garcinia Cambogia before Mehmet used it as a lead-in to get depresssed fatties to tune in for their daily dose of delusion?
Are you a Fed, lawyer, or Facebook employee? Or just a scummy journalist/media byproduct?
The amount of time intelligent people spend arguing with non-intelligent people on this forum is staggering.
Move on bros. Dumbasses gonna dumbass.
Move on bros. Dumbasses gonna dumbass.
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