Mac vs PC for IM ?

[BlueYonder]

I use both. Leopard on Macbook is far more stable than any Windows OS I have used, and it's easier to set up peripherals. The Mac runs faster, and has remained virus-free. Vista was horrible bloatware, and XP gives me the feeling sometimes that it's held together with clothes pins.

That said, I have to set up FB campaigns using the Wintel because utilities like Fotosizer don't run on Mac. The "Wintel" is actually a Mini running Bootcamp.

 

[DewChugr]

Pretty awful rebuttal. In osx i can barely tell what programs are running. In 7 i can hover over the program icon and see thumbnails of all the open windows and select the one i want. Doesn't get easier than that.

I can help you with that. :338:

 

[tygoldberg]

lmao.

i love these windows vs. macs thread

it's all a matter of personal preference.

i say buy a macbook and if you don't like it, sale. macs hold their value like a honda or toyota

/thread

 

[nld2756]

been using Apple since I was 2, never had anything else in my house so it's not like I do it for the "cool factor". windows is the most unstable, unreliable operating system, but what's an example of what a mac does "much much worse"?

Nickycakes is 100% right. you fell victim of apples marketing tactics. The reason people think Windows is unstable is #1, they dont know how to use a computer in the first place, #2 Apple has done a good job of saying Windows sucks, is instable, and vulnerable. I've never had a windows computer break or fail unless it was my own fault IE: fucking with shit in the registry that shouldn't be fucked with. And if anyone here has had a PC fail on them, it was because they were doing shit they shouldn't be doing, or they bought from a shitty retailer: HP, Dell, ETC. Ive built all of my computers to make sure they are compatible for windows and never had 1 problem. Im not saying that Apples are for dumbasses, if you want to pay over twice as much for the same shit, go ahead. If you really like apples, get one.

Good Luck Bros

 

[Jizzlobber]

I just built a new (hackintosh) box with an Intel quad processor and 4 gigs ram for just under $500. I've got Snow Leopard 10.6.2 running stable in a dual boot configuration with Win7 on a separate drive. This is all just to prove to myself that it can be done easily and to evaluate both operating systems before I consider ditching my current XP setup.

I never even bothered with Vista, however I must say that MS did a decent job with Win7. I can do without some of the messages and a few other features. Media Center is a noticeable improvement over MCE 2005 (I haven't tried anything in between).

As far as the Snow Leopard install goes, I pretty much installed most of the basic web development apps that everyone raves about - TextMate, Coda, Transmit, CSSEdit. All well appointed and deserving of the credit. However, I've yet to find a decent file manager with enough built-in functions and features to handle minor edits and tasks without having to open a full-blown app, which I think slows productivity. I run Directory Opus on XP and cannot live without it. Adobe CS4 apps are buggy in Snow Leopard. I like SQLyog for MySQL admin and management - no Mac version and Sequel Pro is close but doesn't cut it. Haven't tried Navicat.

I installed Virtual Box and Win7 and am able to run my missed apps at a bit of a performance decrease, however I do like the ability to go back and forth in seamless mode. I can see efficiency/productivity increases being realized in this mode, especially when doing browser compatibility checks. I haven't tried VMWare or Parallels, so I'm not sure if there is any more performance increase using either of those.

I'm not gonna dis on Snow Leopard too hard, as most of the perceived shortcomings can most likely be blamed on my inexperience with the OS. However, most of my research in Mac user forums has revealed that the majority of posts are people looking for OSX alternatives to Windows apps, complaints about CS4 products being buggy or that they are content with a Windows app that has been ported over to OSX, however complain that it's interface is not quite up to par with the Mac OS environment. LOL.

Mac or PC for IM? I'll stick my head back in my ass and say PC. Unless something changes for me while evaluating OSX, I'll most likely switch over to Win7 once all my apps are released 64bit. Until then it's WinXP Pro FTW.

 

[-God-]

Nickycakes is 100% right. you fell victim of apples marketing tactics. The reason people think Windows is unstable is #1, they dont know how to use a computer in the first place, #2 Apple has done a good job of saying Windows sucks, is instable, and vulnerable. I've never had a windows computer break or fail unless it was my own fault IE: fucking with shit in the registry that shouldn't be fucked with. And if anyone here has had a PC fail on them, it was because they were doing shit they shouldn't be doing, or they bought from a shitty retailer: HP, Dell, ETC. Ive built all of my computers to make sure they are compatible for windows and never had 1 problem. Im not saying that Apples are for dumbasses, if you want to pay over twice as much for the same shit, go ahead. If you really like apples, get one.

Good Luck Bros

I used to build PCs (for nearly 10 years), and i know a Mac is better. I think you're one of those people that dislikes Macs because they're Macs.

Do you honestly think Apple is on a propaganda campaign by saying Windows is unstable and Windows is vulnerable?! These are not random statements, they're solid fact.

Do you have a firewall on Windows? Anti-virus? Anti-spyware? Do you need to check your startup and reconfigure msconfig from time to time? do you need to quickly clean your services every once in a while? Do you get driver conflicts and then have to remove drivers and start again?

I have nothing on my Mac like this. I have no firewall, no AV. I do no scans, don't need to reformat every so often, don't need to defrag, edit my starting config, add and remove services, roll back my sytem due to some amusing error caused by something deciding it worked fine yesterday, but now it's broken.

I don't need to wait for it to shiutdown, restart, wake from sleep. I don't need to confirm that i intend to install something, remove something, double click something. I also don't need to wade through loads of bloat and screens to do something simple like, i don't know, burn a disk, or uninstall a program...

Windows fanboys, jeez.

 

[nld2756]

@Jizzlobber: How hard was it setting up dual boot with osx and xp? I might try it. Do you think that my 8800gt card will run fine without any compatibility problems?

I used to build PCs (for nearly 10 years), and i know a Mac is better. I think you're one of those people that dislikes Macs because they're Macs.

Do you honestly think Apple is on a propaganda campaign by saying Windows is unstable and Windows is vulnerable?! These are not random statements, they're solid fact.

Do you have a firewall on Windows? Anti-virus? Anti-spyware? Do you need to check your startup and reconfigure msconfig from time to time? do you need to quickly clean your services every once in a while? Do you get driver conflicts and then have to remove drivers and start again?

I have nothing on my Mac like this. I have no firewall, no AV. I do no scans, don't need to reformat every so often, don't need to defrag, edit my starting config, add and remove services, roll back my sytem due to some amusing error caused by something deciding it worked fine yesterday, but now it's broken.

I don't need to wait for it to shiutdown, restart, wake from sleep. I don't need to confirm that i intend to install something, remove something, double click something. I also don't need to wade through loads of bloat and screens to do something simple like, i don't know, burn a disk, or uninstall a program...

Windows fanboys, jeez.

jesus christ man, its fairly evident that you either A. havent used a PC in over a decade or B. dont know what your doing with a PC. I have never reformatted from my original install from 2 years ago, no defrag, (its actually a dumb idea to use system restore, i have it disabled). My computer boots up from the time i press my power button to being completely loaded at the starts screen in 20-25 seconds, the shutdown takes 10 seconds. Thats all because i dont do shit you arent suppose to do like deleting important folders and moving stuff around that shouldnt be moved etc. Just from your description of problems that you incurred, it can be easily said that you probably didnt know what you were doing. Enough about that, I dislike windows anyway. I dual boot ubuntu and XP. I'm not defending Windows at all, i dont have a reason to advertise their services. If you like mac get one, if you like pc's, get one. Im not going to get in a fiery Mac vs PC fanboy fight with you, God. In the end you are the decider of my fate. For the OP's intended question:

Mac: inexperienced user, user friendly
Windows: knows how to use a computer properly

 

[JamesH]

All I can say is, I love being able to just grab my laptop and use it. I can't remember the last time I turned the damn thing off, and it still runs like a charm. I don't have to do occasional driver updates, virus scans, and other bullshit. In my honest opinion, Mac > Windows.

 

[pbcustom98]

uninstalling a program is very fun in OS X.

drag the app or folder to the trash! done.

i use both. i love OS X, but i like the convenience of windows. XP or 7 are the only versions really worth using..everything else sucked.

 

[DewChugr]

Mac: inexperienced user, user friendly

No. And yes. If you truly are an advanced user there is a lot you can do through the terminal and scripts or automator that no inexperienced user could ever begin to make use of. Macs aren't good just because they are easy to use.

PCs are still better for DVRs though.

 

[-God-]

Im not going to get in a fiery Mac vs PC fanboy fight with you, God. In the end you are the decider of my fate.

Mac: inexperienced user, user friendly
Windows: knows how to use a computer properly

Silly statement and one which is clearly designed to get someone to bite.

I mean windows is like the playschool of OSs, you know that, you use Linux. Windows is point and click, "are you sure you wish to click that" crap.

A Mac is far more advanced, yes user friendly, but then all OSs should be. And it is better for inexperienced users without a doubt, because it works and does what computers should. Windows is nowadays a confusing (for the unaccustomed user) hotch-potch of bloated slow unfriendly software, where everything takes an age to accomplish.

I have both a pc and a mac, but primarily use the Mac. I know Windows (pre-vista, which is when i decided Windows can fuck off) like the back of my hand and yes, defrag is useless within NTFS, but it's still there... Services.msc, doesn't need to be used, but will speed up your system as will msconfig. Again, they would be unneccessary if an os did what it was supposed to do, operate the system!

My point is that Windows is bloated and over the top. UAC anyone? Yes, it can be disabled, blah, blah, blah, but my point is that it doesn't need to be there.

And i haven't incurred Windows problems that were down to anything other than Windows. Like i said, i used to build pcs...

But yeah, lets not get in some Windows Fanboy fight. And don't worry, i'll sort you out a ticket for Heaven and stuff.

 

[pickledegg]

This thread is shit. Who cares. Let the OP buy whatever.

 

[nld2756]

Silly statement and one which is clearly designed to get someone to bite.

I mean windows is like the playschool of OSs, you know that, you use Linux. Windows is point and click, "are you sure you wish to click that" crap.

A Mac is far more advanced, yes user friendly, but then all OSs should be. And it is better for inexperienced users without a doubt, because it works and does what computers should. Windows is nowadays a confusing (for the unaccustomed user) hotch-potch of bloated slow unfriendly software, where everything takes an age to accomplish.

I have both a pc and a mac, but primarily use the Mac. I know Windows (pre-vista, which is when i decided Windows can fuck off) like the back of my hand and yes, defrag is useless within NTFS, but it's still there... Services.msc, doesn't need to be used, but will speed up your system as will msconfig. Again, they would be unneccessary if an os did what it was supposed to do, operate the system!

My point is that Windows is bloated and over the top. UAC anyone? Yes, it can be disabled, blah, blah, blah, but my point is that it doesn't need to be there.

And i haven't incurred Windows problems that were down to anything other than Windows. Like i said, i used to build pcs...

But yeah, lets not get in some Windows Fanboy fight. And don't worry, i'll sort you out a ticket for Heaven and stuff.

Dear God,
I didnt read this whole post due to being in a rush, which is selfish of me considering you obviously read my essay. But i'm going to dual boot mac osx sometime this week and I'll see if there are any improvements. keep it classy, God

PS: I finished the whole post. I'd have to say the only notable windows OS's are XP and win7. Oh yeah and I agree vista is pretty much worthless. Thank you for my ticket

 

[Marketcake]

I just built a new (hackintosh) box with an Intel quad processor and 4 gigs ram for just under $500. I've got Snow Leopard 10.6.2 running stable in a dual boot configuration with Win7 on a separate drive. This is all just to prove to myself that it can be done easily and to evaluate both operating systems before I consider ditching my current XP setup.

I never even bothered with Vista, however I must say that MS did a decent job with Win7. I can do without some of the messages and a few other features. Media Center is a noticeable improvement over MCE 2005 (I haven't tried anything in between).

As far as the Snow Leopard install goes, I pretty much installed most of the basic web development apps that everyone raves about - TextMate, Coda, Transmit, CSSEdit. All well appointed and deserving of the credit. However, I've yet to find a decent file manager with enough built-in functions and features to handle minor edits and tasks without having to open a full-blown app, which I think slows productivity. I run Directory Opus on XP and cannot live without it. Adobe CS4 apps are buggy in Snow Leopard. I like SQLyog for MySQL admin and management - no Mac version and Sequel Pro is close but doesn't cut it. Haven't tried Navicat.

I installed Virtual Box and Win7 and am able to run my missed apps at a bit of a performance decrease, however I do like the ability to go back and forth in seamless mode. I can see efficiency/productivity increases being realized in this mode, especially when doing browser compatibility checks. I haven't tried VMWare or Parallels, so I'm not sure if there is any more performance increase using either of those.

I'm not gonna dis on Snow Leopard too hard, as most of the perceived shortcomings can most likely be blamed on my inexperience with the OS. However, most of my research in Mac user forums has revealed that the majority of posts are people looking for OSX alternatives to Windows apps, complaints about CS4 products being buggy or that they are content with a Windows app that has been ported over to OSX, however complain that it's interface is not quite up to par with the Mac OS environment. LOL.

Mac or PC for IM? I'll stick my head back in my ass and say PC. Unless something changes for me while evaluating OSX, I'll most likely switch over to Win7 once all my apps are released 64bit. Until then it's WinXP Pro FTW.

Any mac fanboys have any input on this? I didn't mention it in my post but this is the one drawback that I see, although I can't quite comment on it beause I've only used the mac through remote viewing software and not first hand.
It almost seems like mac interface is also a bit 'flimsy' in a way, or something... like simply navigating things the same way as a PC is not extremely responsive, and crisp. Theres also a lot of floating windows with no backgrounds and say you want to go to one program, you have to sort through a variety of floating windows with no backgrounds so that you can find the program and then try to click around so you can get the 'menu bar' at the top of the screen to change so you can actually use it, whereas on PC its right at the bottom and the menu bar is a part of the program so its easy to find.
or in general the buttons seem kind of small at the top right, and I can picture trying to use file view to quick-edit files a lot and it ends up being frsutrating (where in windows I just right click on my documents, edit plus 3 and its already done).

Before I buy a mac I'd like to hear what people think, if you get used to this or if I'm not accurate here whatsoever. like i said I did use this through remote viewing software which had a slight lag, so that may have had a lot to do with my frustration using it

 

[nickycakes]

Silly statement and one which is clearly designed to get someone to bite.

I mean windows is like the playschool of OSs, you know that, you use Linux. Windows is point and click, "are you sure you wish to click that" crap.

A Mac is far more advanced, yes user friendly, but then all OSs should be. And it is better for inexperienced users without a doubt, because it works and does what computers should. Windows is nowadays a confusing (for the unaccustomed user) hotch-potch of bloated slow unfriendly software, where everything takes an age to accomplish.

I have both a pc and a mac, but primarily use the Mac. I know Windows (pre-vista, which is when i decided Windows can fuck off) like the back of my hand and yes, defrag is useless within NTFS, but it's still there... Services.msc, doesn't need to be used, but will speed up your system as will msconfig. Again, they would be unneccessary if an os did what it was supposed to do, operate the system!

My point is that Windows is bloated and over the top. UAC anyone? Yes, it can be disabled, blah, blah, blah, but my point is that it doesn't need to be there.

And i haven't incurred Windows problems that were down to anything other than Windows. Like i said, i used to build pcs...

But yeah, lets not get in some Windows Fanboy fight. And don't worry, i'll sort you out a ticket for Heaven and stuff.

NTFS fragments, just slower than FAT.

UAC is just GUI sudo.

"I used to build PC's" is the most retarded argument I've ever heard. I'm sure half this forum has built a pc before.

You keep saying how "advanced" mac is, and how "complicated" windows is, but it's clear that a) you've never used windows 7, and b) you are quite wel versed in parroting "i'm a mac" commercials. I'd really love to hear ANYTHING that a mac does better than windows 7. This information would be very valuable considering macs cost twice as much.

Back to reality, champ.

 

[DewChugr]

Any mac fanboys have any input on this? I didn't mention it in my post but this is the one drawback that I see, although I can't quite comment on it beause I've only used the mac through remote viewing software and not first hand.
It almost seems like mac interface is also a bit 'flimsy' in a way, or something... like simply navigating things the same way as a PC is not extremely responsive, and crisp. Theres also a lot of floating windows with no backgrounds and say you want to go to one program, you have to sort through a variety of floating windows with no backgrounds so that you can find the program and then try to click around so you can get the 'menu bar' at the top of the screen to change so you can actually use it, whereas on PC its right at the bottom and the menu bar is a part of the program so its easy to find.
or in general the buttons seem kind of small at the top right, and I can picture trying to use file view to quick-edit files a lot and it ends up being frsutrating (where in windows I just right click on my documents, edit plus 3 and its already done).

Before I buy a mac I'd like to hear what people think, if you get used to this or if I'm not accurate here whatsoever. like i said I did use this through remote viewing software which had a slight lag, so that may have had a lot to do with my frustration using it

I see the whole "floating windows with no backgrounds" thing to be a huge plus especially with programs like Photoshop, especially with dual monitors. The other huge benefit for me is being able to have multiple windows in multiple programs open at the same time, but have one window of each in "the foreground" instead of windows bringing all windows of the current program to the front. Very handy when you have 5 bedit windows and several browser windows open but you need to see one window from each. And if you want to see all windows of a program and the menu bar just click it's icon in the dock or command tab to it.

A Mac is obviously different than a PC, but it takes little time to get used to it. 7 is finally a decent Windows after nothing but crap except XP since DOS. I still use both, but mostly a mac. For me it's so much faster to use. Once you know the keyboard shortcuts and things. I never understood at all why Windows would make you right click, go to new, then to new folder just to create a new folder. It's such a rudimentary task and yet you have to jump through hoops or add a utility for a key shortcut to do this simple thing. Do they not use their software before they send it out to the public. And the godawful partial menus that you hover over the little down arrows to see fully. At least that could be turned off. Why would you want to let software install crap all over the system folder of your OS? And please, the menu bar on the bottom, that's handy.

Whether or not an OS does anything better than another isn't as significant as how much you can get done in the same amount of time on one as compared to another

 

[Rage9]

So you're a Winnut again? No more Linux?

Still dual boot but I spend significantly more time in Windows now. It's really dropping my productivity playing games though.

I like 7 so much I even went out and bought a copy (OEM and on sale non the less).

 

[Rage9]

My point is that Windows is bloated and over the top. UAC anyone? Yes, it can be disabled, blah, blah, blah, but my point is that it doesn't need to be there.

UAC is a very important security feature. Every OS should have such a feature.

 

[yid..]

My Mac Air came at the start of the week thanks to peer pressure from this place.
This is how it went..
logged in.... got bored ... This is mac??? linux is better...
Say so to my buddy - he says "ya apple is BSD"
"Oh Shit - I hate BsD" say I..... and i have windows 7 running seamlessly now since Tuesday and i am very happy.

For all liteweight travel needs - MacAir + Windows 7 FTW

 

[-God-]

NTFS fragments, just slower than FAT.

UAC is just GUI sudo.

"I used to build PC's" is the most retarded argument I've ever heard. I'm sure half this forum has built a pc before.

You keep saying how "advanced" mac is, and how "complicated" windows is, but it's clear that a) you've never used windows 7, and b) you are quite wel versed in parroting "i'm a mac" commercials. I'd really love to hear ANYTHING that a mac does better than windows 7. This information would be very valuable considering macs cost twice as much.

Back to reality, champ.

I don't appreciate insults, because i'm not a complete cunt, but that's clearly what this forum and yourself likes.

Retarded because i built pcs... Ooookay. Sure everyone builds them so it's a lame thing to say, accept i built pcs for a living, first for a company, then for my own company (they were media pcs optimised for video and/or audio production). Besides, whatever insults make you feel happy.

By the way, i'm English, i've never seen a Mac commmercial, do not own an iPhone or an iPod. I actually dislike Apple, just less than MS, so it's the lesser of 2 evils when faced with the question where do i go for a new computer with Vista being such a joke.

I have used Windows 7, it's better than Vista and is quite tolerable. Is it better than XP? Not even in the same ballpark in my opinion. My streamlined install will use 44MB of ram in a static state. Win 7 uses about 600-700 MB when doing nothing.

My gripe is that XP was a superb OS, once you remove security centre and a few other peices of idiot protection, so why throw it in the bin and build a new unstable kernel? Vista was why i moved to Macs, i was so very, very annoyed that all the gains made in CPU and Ram over the years were essentially eaten by the OS to do nothing more than provide stupid features that only benefit MS's ego.

I didn't really mean to imply a Mac is more advanced in a computing sense, just more advanced in the way it's thought out and how it does most things. If i burn a disk it takes fewer clicks as an example. Almost every task is just quicker and simpler. Nothing i do requires confirmation, it lets you get on with it.

I also don't have to remove unneccessary startup items, or spend many minutes removing a large program that came on the computer when i bought it, such as the pointless Norton Suite. Althoght that point is of course moot, because most people, in our neck of the woods, don't buy off the shelf.

At the end of the day, i dislike Windows, post XP, and you hate Macs. But clearly we're both losers for arguing about something which will still be debated when we're both dead.

@nld2756

I'm now convinced you'll be back in here with your dual boot putting me in my place soon enough.

Fucking hell i go on. Well the arsenal game was fucking shit, so i suppose i have an excuse.