Libyan Rebel Commander and Tripoli's New Governor Ties to Al-Qaeda



Yuckystuff said:
Both regimes were removed due to their threat to the world financial system
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Jake1125 said:
How do we know that? Is there any actual proof of this?
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Yuckystuff said:
We may not have proof that they were removed from power because of those things
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Oh that's OK, I just like to distinguish between facts and conspiracy theories.

Yuckystuff said:
Here's a decent primer video:
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LOL @ youtube as a credible source of information.

Conjecture is fine. After all, this section is called "Shooting the shit", and youtube is great entertainment. But when people state things like

Yuckystuff said:
Both regimes were removed due to their threat to the world financial system
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it gives the appearance of factual information. More accurate to say "I think", "Some of us think", "It has been suggested by some", "Perhaps", "It is possible".. "A link-bait youtube video that suggests"
 
Andrew Scherer said:
Abdelhakim Belhadj, commander of the Libyan rebel army is now the military governor of Tripoli. Also former member of the LIFG (terrorist org) which is an affiliate of Al-Qaeda. Good job CIA and NATO, the lulz are strong with this one.

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Gaddafi under siege: Two CIA-backed groups, an al-Qaeda-linked LIFG on top of power stakes | Asian Tribune

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CIA was telling reporters if they said anything about AL-Qaueda that would be shot. Surprised this got out.
 
you need to be the power of russia to withstand these mofos, the fuckers have been trying to detach Chechnya from Russia in a similar war for freedom scenario when it was very weak after ussr collapsed
 
Andrew Scherer said:
Obama is a mouth attached to a teleprompter. You don't have to like the guy, but your sentiment would be misaligned.

I'm referring to central banking and oil interests, probably the 2 primary motivations behind the wheel. NATO is the vehicle.
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He controls NATO. He is no less guilty than anyone else involved.
 
Jake1125 said:
Oh that's OK, I just like to distinguish between facts and conspiracy theories.

it gives the appearance of factual information. More accurate to say "I think", "Some of us think", "It has been suggested by some", "Perhaps", "It is possible".. "A link-bait youtube video that suggests"
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What you mean to say is, "I don't bother reading with an open mind too many things that make me uncomfortable and challenge my belief system. I have predisposed ideas about how the world works and I'm reluctant to believe that certain things are the way others claim them to be and not the way that I feel most confident construing them. It makes me comfortable labeling controversial issues as conspiracy theories, and I certainly don't try to identify or call into question what causes me to think that labeling an issue a conspiracy theory or an alternative explanation conjecture is sufficient dismissal for me to discard additional facts or competing ideas without further consideration. In fact, I often don't know know enough about what I'm talking about to honestly pass judgement on others' ideas or evidence, let alone claim authority, but to avoid this uncomfortable reality I cling to talking points with popular support and dismiss ideas with less immediately compelling evidence rather than keeping my ill-informed thoughts to myself."

People who honestly try to understand the way the world works don't care what you consider conjecture. And they certainly don't listen to you try to tell them that what they worked hard to understand needs to be preceded by conditionals.
 
MSTeacher said:
What you mean to say is, "I don't bother reading with an open mind too many things that make me uncomfortable and challenge my belief system. I have predisposed ideas about how the world works and I'm reluctant to believe that certain things are the way others claim them to be and not the way that I feel most confident construing them. It makes me comfortable labeling controversial issues as conspiracy theories, and I certainly don't try to identify or call into question what causes me to think that labeling an issue a conspiracy theory or an alternative explanation conjecture is sufficient dismissal for me to discard additional facts or competing ideas without further consideration. In fact, I often don't know know enough about what I'm talking about to honestly pass judgement on others' ideas or evidence, let alone claim authority, but to avoid this uncomfortable reality I cling to talking points with popular support and dismiss ideas with less immediately compelling evidence rather than keeping my ill-informed thoughts to myself."
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Damn, that's some good stuff. Where'd you swipe that, MSTeacher?

Will quote. :thumbsup:
 
The video states that Libya has 144 tons of gold - it was like they were claiming it was gigantic stash.

I do not know the exact numbers - I see varying answers on the first page of google - thank you BST section content writers - but it looks like a pound of gold is 12 troy ounces and a metric ton is 2240 lbs (I do not know the exact numbers this was my 5 second research)
So... 12*2240*144*$1800 = roughly $7 Billion in Gold. The video made it sound like a lot.

Of course his asking for Gold to be paid for in Gold would have net him much more but why these dictators do not simply take the cash and begin to buy the gold on the markets without making the big announcement and getting killed for it, allegedly.

In the end we should get off the oil habit, not go to the Gold standard.
 
hellblazer said:
It's called the office of the Presidency. You do get a "little" power with that, including... the power to start bombing as Commander in Chief. In case you forgot, it was Obama who pushed NATO and the Euros to start bombing Libya, it was Obama who ignored Congress when he continued the war there, it was Obama who openly supported the anti-Mubarak forces, it was his people that were in Egypt a year beforehand planning it, it was Obama who let the Iranian freedom-fighters die like dogs in the street. it's called the bully pulpit. It's kind of powerful.
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It was England & France who were pushing Obama.

Both Sarkozy (fr) & Cameron (uk) were looking for an opportunity to make an impact on the world stage, as both have problems with being viewed as political lightweights at home.
 
Yuckystuff said:
There is a finite supply of gold, there is not a finite supply of US dollars. What do you suppose happens to the value of gold if oil becomes priced in it? What do you suppose would happen to the US dollar as a result? The current "price" of gold in US dollars is irrelevant because that price relation would be flipped on its head.
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Maybe in the short run.
But not in the long run.

Also, maybe I am mistaken, but Gold is a commodity traded in worldwide markets, as is oil. As such the value of the dollar already reflects its value relative to the current market for these commodities. This is why Gold is at $1800 or $2000 or wherever it is at the moment, because the decline in the US dollar has already been factored into the equation.

Of course you can argue that the switch would then mean that the dollar is not the world's reserve currency and therefore it would drastically alter the balance of money supply vs. demand and therefore the dollars value relative to hard assets. But I do have not seen you argue that so I have to restrict my comments to the immediate effect of the lesser argument/scenario you presented.

Either way, in the long run, it will all balance out in favor of the US. Because Libya is a one trick pony, as are most oil nations, the rest of the world actually produces something. If tomorrow we figured out how to get unlimited energy from other sources then oil, oil would be left with its secondary and tertiary non-energy uses, and Libya with it, would be drained of its Gold in a flash as they bought other goods and services. Oh wait, we do know how to get unlimited energy without oil with current technology, for now we simply lack the will of implementation. But there will come a day, and you are right, everything will flip on its head.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Maybe, but how long would the disruption last? Don't forget, gas hit $4/gallon in the US and you would think the sky was falling. What would a drastic spike do if oil was repriced in gold?

The US economy is built on a house of cards and as soon as the US dollar loses it's status the house comes down. The US military will do everything in its power to prolong that as long as possible. If you were responsible for running the US would you allow what Saddam and Gaddafi were trying to do?
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If I was running the US we would have been off oil drug a long time ago and then the oil states would be sitting around with their sand wishing our industrialists would show up on their doorsteps again and teach them how to make money.

Their will be an immediate shock to your proposals, but I have faith in the American people, given the right motivation you will see more instant energy innovation than you could ever imagine. After all, we have the sun and the wind - crap I could use a simple solar collector using mirrors and power a little steam engine in my back yard - and I do not know shit. Imagine what the smart people can do.

Of course we use oil for a lot of other things too - but for energy - the fix is easy, we just lack the will.

I think all of you have too little faith in the American people and our market system. Sure its all crewed up right now - the hope is that the system self corrects and we can move forward.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Forgive me for having so little faith in a country that makes Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga its musical stars, and Jersey Shore and Dancing with the Stars its programming of choice. This is a group of people that get their "news" from Fox and MSNBC, and who are convinced there are only two political parties in the country. Most of these people learn their geography from whatever bombing campaigns are on CNN, and their economics from Oprah or Suze Orman.

I think there are some very smart people in this country but they're severely outnumbered by some of the most ignorant, uneducated, self absorbed, brainwashed and blissfully oblivious collections of human beings this planet has ever seen.

I wouldn't hold my breath hoping "that the system self corrects and we can move forward".
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The self correcting mechanism is dependent upon action of the people working within the system itself.

When you blast the US like that I know you are deluded. I am certain every other country as demographically, geographically, ethnically, culturally diverse as the US is so much better.

Let's point out the amount of ignorance worldwide - I do not even know where to start arguing with you, of course that is because I am a stupid American.

You have no idea the power of generations of people with a mature culture of freedom, markets, capitalism, and individualism.
 
Yuckystuff said:
I'm not insulting you, so you shouldn't be offended. After all, I'm an American too. But I have not seen this country move in a positive direction politically, culturally, educationally or economically in my lifetime. Therefore I can't just wave the flag and proclaim we're the greatest nation on earth when the only thing we're number one at anymore is military expenditures. I've been waiting a long time for this self correcting mechanism you're talking about to kick in but I gotta admit I'm starting to think it ain't gonna happen. I wish I was as optimistic as you.
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I never said we are the greatest country on earth.

But I believe in the American people and the underlying culture even as eroded as it is.

The self correcting mechanism requires activism - are you active? Besides its not really as much a self correcting mechanism as it is a mechanism for peaceful change - even peaceful drastic change and transfer of power.

The first thing you need to ask is what are you looking for in the first place?
 
MSTeacher said:
What you mean to say is, "I don't bother reading with an open mind too many things that make me uncomfortable and challenge my belief system...
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Yuckystuff said:
Forgive me for having so little faith in a country that makes Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga its musical stars, and Jersey Shore and Dancing with the Stars its programming of choice...
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Fuck, this thread is full of gold.

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
 
Pulse said:
Fuck, this thread is full of gold.

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
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You left off;
Conspiracy theories are proven reality.
Logic is irrelevant.
Youtube is authority.
Questions are from fox viewers.
Bullshit is fact.

LOL it's golden here at "shoot the shit".
 
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Not sure how much of this is true, but always interesting to see other sides:

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Sounds like all the programs they had would've led to an eventual economic collapse, but still.
 
^^ this is actually what happens when the nations natural resources are shared with people and not with a small group of leechers
 
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