Libertarian Island
- Thread starter Unarmed Gunman
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Oh no?
How many marinas have you built?
You'll need a good place for all of the boats that will bring your construction supplies to dock and offload cargo.
I like the idea of island living, and I've been interested in it for a while, but the infrastructure costs are prohibitive if you are looking at it as a private residence, imo.
Way to go is to get two interlocking islands, a larger one you can build a hotel on, and a smaller one connected by a gated bridge/short boat journey or something that you have your property on (or that's joined by a narrow strip of land or something). At least you can then get a return on all the investment in infrastructure done on the island.
At least, that's what I'd do if I wanted to go down the whole private island route, I think even if I were a billionaire I'd struggle to justify the investment for just a house.
Some plywood and 50 gallon drums would be fine for the peasants unloading stuff.
nothing like driving a forklift loaded with a half-ton pallet of bricks over some plywood and 50 gallon drums, amirite?
lol
I have family that summer on island houses, and the cost/difficulty involved in getting simple tradesmen + materials to come out for relatively minor things would blow your mind.
It just isn't simple to do things when you need to ship everything in.
It depends no how you want to live. Yes you can live in a shitty shack on an island, but presumably if you have the cash to buy an entire island, you want to live a quality lifestyle with all the amenities available you have at home.
Running water = Desalination = not cheap
Sewage system = not cheap
Power plant (even if just a solar one or whatever, which would work in the tropics) = not cheap
Transporting all your building tools & material to the island = not cheap
What about when it's a saturday night and you run out of milk? Wanna wait 3 days for more?
etc etc..
It's really expensive to build and develop an island + sustain a luxury lifestyle on one. If you're going to live like a peasant on your own island then I don't know why you wouldn't just buy a property on an already developed island in fiji or something and just do day trips out to the deserted islands when you want some space.
Not to mention what do you do when you have a heart attack?
If you develop something like a hotel alongside it, at least you can afford to pay for a doctor to be on the island, medical supplies, have constant supplies coming in every week, a helipad, etc etc...
If you want real freedom just an island won't suffice anyways. +1 for seasteading.
You can design something expandable (so you are not all by yourself like on an island) and have a lot of the problems you have with an island solved (desalination is not as expensive if you share it between a lot of people. The output is quite large for most machines). Will go into this in detail at some later time, but if you are serious about trying out ancap somewhere, seasteading is the (morally right) way.
You can design something expandable (so you are not all by yourself like on an island) and have a lot of the problems you have with an island solved (desalination is not as expensive if you share it between a lot of people. The output is quite large for most machines). Will go into this in detail at some later time, but if you are serious about trying out ancap somewhere, seasteading is the (morally right) way.
I was joking. I know plywood and 50 gal barrels won't work haha. I know a little bit about building power generation out in the country, but I'm sure that's a little different that doing it on a tropical island. Same with sewage and all of that.
If you have a heart attack you do the same thing you'd do 50 miles from the nearest town: get better or die.
I feel obligated to point out that just pouring the slab for a 2000 sq ft home would require something in the neighborhood of 1500 80lb bags of concrete, or about 60 tons of concrete mix. Not exactly the kind of shipping project you can undertake in a skiff.
If it's a big build or near a decent port then usually a small barge is hired or purchased for the project. Concrete trucks and machine equipment are easy to barge out to an island. The hardest part is often getting the equipment from the barge to the site and back, particularly if it's not a developed island with existing access roads. Running the barge can get pricey too and usually machine operators charge more for island work due to increased liability.
You don't need that much really. This place even has some basic infrastructure in place ready to go, although it's tiny.
WF Island - Land of utter debauchery?
If you have a little road to the site you could use a conveyor belt from boat to truck. Similar to what roofers use to load a roof.
Though I would imagine you would use a raised block foundation, dealing less with the challenges of large amounts of concrete.
If you develop a system of simply finding a single spot that can unload a shipping container, then most problems would be solved. There is even a company that will ship you a semi-prefab home all within a container, there's another one that I cannot find right now that makes traditional looking homes packing all the contents in the container not just these modern ones.. That's probably what you would do. Spend the money for infrastructure that can move a single container, would solve a lot of problems.
As for sewer. I would imagine you would simply use a septic system which is cheap and then add to it a graywater system to irrigate. You could actually totally re-purify the water if you were so inclined, OC CA style, but I think I would buy a larger desalination system.
Power is a problem. I think you guys need to buy an island with a river. You could set up one of those wave motion power generators add wind and also solar.
I would imagine that you could also grow crops and raise livestock. Not hard and certainly the island needs to be big enough for this.
All in all it seems like it would not be insurmountable save for defense. Though thinking properly, there would be at least one member of the island society that knows the technology of lazers and weaponry. If so, it would not be too hard given my faith in true innovation. Assuming you are just fighting Pirates and not Russia.
This island looks safer. No risk of getting killed in the night by the local savages. More affordable, too.
Huerta Island - Chile, South America - Private Islands for Sale
Huerta Island - Chile, South America - Private Islands for Sale
The import/export section?
Or the fact that they accept payments for those things in coins that are neither gold nor silver?
/resident Englishman
This is a pretty awesome idea, it's like a new Hong Kong outside the totalitarian one-party, socialist US. And for that reason it won't be allowed until the US is in such dire a situation that economic free zones are needed. History repeats itself, round and round it goes.
But what's interesting is that only 10 years ago, you'd never have proposed something like this and not be laughed at. Times are a changing bros. Libertarianism vs. totalitarianism is going to be the big battle of the 21st century.
The declining states will find themselves loosing legitimacy by the year and will therefore attempt to accelarate the control and violence they're able to use to control dissidents. I bet situations like this have happened to any great empire in the past. Oh wait, didn't take me long to find something about the roman empire:
Lol, it has all happened before guys.
But what's interesting is that only 10 years ago, you'd never have proposed something like this and not be laughed at. Times are a changing bros. Libertarianism vs. totalitarianism is going to be the big battle of the 21st century.
The declining states will find themselves loosing legitimacy by the year and will therefore attempt to accelarate the control and violence they're able to use to control dissidents. I bet situations like this have happened to any great empire in the past. Oh wait, didn't take me long to find something about the roman empire:
Lol, it has all happened before guys.
In regards to island transport, in this case the island is close to land and there is already a bridge.
It's a good thing there's already a bridge and a road, because without a government, there's no chance for those kinds of projects.