kevin o leary says 3.5 billion living in poverty is fantastic

[Pheasant]

It's also easy for poor people who've climbed to wealth to say they worked hard and turned everything around, again not taking into account the luck in their lives, that some people in remote, disconnected countries never have. If you're born penniless in America, you still have some degree of freedom. You can get internet access. Get a free education. Read books.

First of all, don't EVER take into question a successful person's RIGHT to jerk themselves off about overcoming adversity. How DARE YOU. Do you know how tough it is to make something out of yourself in America? I heard a story once about a guy who was waiting for the bus to get to work, right, and it showed up like TEN MINUTES LATE. I heard another story (This one might not be true...) about a guy in Canada who wanted to start a small business and he had to fill out AN ENTIRE FORM... using his OWN PEN.

I'm saying that O'Leary has a very narrow view of the world.

To the contrary, I think you're the one with the narrow view of the world.

Indulge me for a moment so I can share my story...

My ABSOLUTE favorite part about being a child living in the Congo is that as soon as I'm done pillaging for a few calories to get me through the day and to maybe sustain me through another night (hoping I don't get bit by a snake LOL knock on wood... oh wait... the trees are gone) and hoping that *this* cup of dirty water isn't the one that kills me, I've got all this free time to dig wells and build mud houses for my neighbors.

I see people everyday who just spend their time sifting through garbage and kicking around dead animal bladders and I'm llke, "You lazy fucking peasants, why don't you pick yourselves up by the straps of your makeshift sandals and do something with your life? Don't you know that in North America the busses are late sometimes and you have to pay $45 to start a business? Get back to work, you entitled PRICKS."

 

[imbo55]

The view that all people that work hard will see success eventually is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that because of that we should be redistributing resource, just that opportunity isn't equal. Those 2.5 billion people O'Leary talks about can't "look up" to the 85 billionaires, because most of them don't know they exist, or so much as understand the world that they live in.

Of course opportunities are not equal everywhere, that is called LIFE and you should not expect the same opportunities to be everywhere. But if you think that just giving food stamps, government housing, free cellphones, health insurance to families, and money for each child they have has a positive feedback and brings inequality you are sadly mistaken. In that instance the only thing it brings is laziness - if someone does EVERYTHING for you, except wipe your ass there is absolutely NOT motivation for you to get up off your ass and do something with your life.

A similar argument can be said about blindly giving food and aid to developing nations. If all you do is ship them food and go there for a couple weeks out of the year, to feel good about yourself or like you are making a difference. You are doing more harm then good. Instead you should focus on vital aid, treating diseases that result in infant death, increasing the mortality rate and providing vital medical care that the country or people absolutely cannot do on their own. You then work on helping to provide jobs or helping to create an economy in that country.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRHPxNmO2w]Bill & Melinda Gates Bust Global Poverty Myths #StopTheMyth - YouTube[/ame]

In summary if you provide a fundamental framework for these countries or people without doing everything for them but wipe their ass and instead give them the opportunity to work you will be a lot better off. Many countries have tried socialism over the years, the simple fact is that it resoundingly does not work - it results in lazy and ineptitude.

Nor does the idea that in the US African American's should forever be ENTITLED to anything. Case in point, this wonderful current US President of our's had a choice throughout his life - he could of continued to smoke weed everyday while going to college and continue to do cocaine and other drugs and become more mentally challenged or he could of stopped the drugs and done something with his life. Just because his father was black and he was a bastard child (a child born out of wedlock) and his father left him and his white mother and family was left to raise him.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwEd3i1Dymo"]Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama Early Years in Indonesia ~ Inside Edition ~ Monday, 05/05/08 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN4_sIQMwBA]Ex-girlfriends share glimpse of a young Barack Obama. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[potentialeight]

Oh no, someone was born with a silver spoon up their ass, and I wasn't. I guess I'd better not aspire to do jack shit with my life then.

 

[thehobbster]

If you can't read or write, or have access to information or education, how do you ever communicate, or learn what's going on outside the confounds of your small village?

I'd like to point out that culture dictates these desires, and these small village people you are talking about are likely in a lot more harmony with their lifestyle, interactions, environment, etc. They literally don't NEED to be rich because they are rich in ways most of us hope to purchase with money.

Of course opportunities are not equal everywhere, that is called LIFE and you should not expect the same opportunities.

Precisely. But it's not just about the ability to become filthy rich. Some cultures don't need that and will outright reject it due to a lot of the bullshit it brings along and the distraction from thing they value as important.



If we're going to sit here and sling insults about who has a narrow view of the world, we should probably stop projecting our own cultural desires on other cultures before we drag people into a game they aren't even playing.

Also, I'll add, that if some fucking guy wearing a straw skirt eating raw muskrat and picking his teeth with tiger whiskers is dreaming about being a billionaire, he's a fucking visionary and will likely invent something amazing that helps within his own cultural parameters. But it probably won't be digital. It might have a huge impact within his social parameters and he'll get RELATIVELY RICH.

These fucking leftist crybabies need to stop projecting a global environment onto these isolated tribes. Not only are they literally not a part of the global community, but they are "literally" living in the past relative to us. They don't expect to have their own personal jets. They think those jets flying overhead are spiritual phenomenon. Of course, I'm talking about extremes to make a point.

But c'mon. We aren't going to create a time machine and then cry because cavemen don't have access to the internet or equal job opportunities. Which is analogous to a lot of the retardation I see slung around out there.

It's all about relativity and the modern crybaby feeling guilty for having it good.

 

[imbo55]

Oh no, someone was born with a silver spoon up their ass, and I wasn't. I guess I'd better not aspire to do jack shit with my life then.

Sadly this is quickly becoming the American way... Let's be the laziest SOB I can be, do the least amount of work possible and be a slave to the Government, because "I am entitled to it."

Seriously can you blame these people, hell even what was the Middle class in the US is becoming this way. Can you blame them? Seriously, seriously why the heck would I want to continue to work overtime, do more with my life. If I am going to make $40-60,000 a year (average middle class income), if I have to pay $20k in life insurance premiums under this 'Affordable care act' because I've now got to pay for every deadbeat and person who is an absolute ZERO and drain on society. Why should I continue to pay $1,000+ a month for a cellphone (that is a luxury and I certainly don't have a God given right to have), when I can get 2-5 free cellphones from the Government and don't have to pay anything for it. Why should I continue to pay $8,000+ a year to send my child to daycare and be a responsible parent (when the government through their "head start initiative" will likely provide better daycare for my child for free). At the end of the day I am poorer then if I just sat on my ass everyday and collected food stamps, and fucked like a jackrabbit everyday after all "fuck I don't have to pay for the kid, it's not my responsibility, the Government OWES me for my decision to have another kid."

You ever wonder how a country like China charges parents if they want to have a child and in the good old USA we actually PAY people for being a deadbeat.

 

[bodiddley]

Sadly this is quickly becoming the American way... Let's be the laziest SOB I can be, do the least amount of work possible and be a slave to the Government, because "I am entitled to it."

Seriously can you blame these people, hell even what was the Middle class in the US is becoming this way. Can you blame them? Seriously, seriously why the heck would I want to continue to work overtime, do more with my life. If I am going to make $40-60,000 a year (average middle class income), if I have to pay $20k in life insurance premiums under this 'Affordable care act' because I've now got to pay for every deadbeat and person who is an absolute ZERO and drain on society. Why should I continue to pay $1,000+ a month for a cellphone (that is a luxury and I certainly don't have a God given right to have), when I can get 2-5 free cellphones from the Government and don't have to pay anything for it. Why should I continue to pay $8,000+ a year to send my child to daycare and be a responsible parent (when the government through their "head start initiative" will likely provide better daycare for my child for free). At the end of the day I am poorer then if I just sat on my ass everyday and collected food stamps, and fucked like a jackrabbit everyday after all "fuck I don't have to pay for the kid, it's not my responsibility, the Government OWES me for my decision to have another kid."

You ever wonder how a country like China charges parents if they want to have a child and in the good old USA we actually PAY people for being a deadbeat.

If you distract and devolve, few people will realize what's going down in the country; and if you do realize, there's a lessened chance of you doing anything about it.

Banks, crop circles, drones, military industrial complexes? Fuck that, too lazy to be bothered.

 

[BigWill]

Sadly this is quickly becoming the American way... Let's be the laziest SOB I can be, do the least amount of work possible and be a slave to the Government, because "I am entitled to it."

Seriously can you blame these people, hell even what was the Middle class in the US is becoming this way. Can you blame them? Seriously, seriously why the heck would I want to continue to work overtime, do more with my life. If I am going to make $40-60,000 a year (average middle class income), if I have to pay $20k in life insurance premiums under this 'Affordable care act' because I've now got to pay for every deadbeat and person who is an absolute ZERO and drain on society. Why should I continue to pay $1,000+ a month for a cellphone (that is a luxury and I certainly don't have a God given right to have), when I can get 2-5 free cellphones from the Government and don't have to pay anything for it. Why should I continue to pay $8,000+ a year to send my child to daycare and be a responsible parent (when the government through their "head start initiative" will likely provide better daycare for my child for free). At the end of the day I am poorer then if I just sat on my ass everyday and collected food stamps, and fucked like a jackrabbit everyday after all "fuck I don't have to pay for the kid, it's not my responsibility, the Government OWES me for my decision to have another kid."

This^

You ever wonder how a country like China charges parents if they want to have a child and in the good old USA we actually PAY people for being a deadbeat.

I was speaking to a single mom about this the other day. She was on assistance a few years ago during school, she has 2 kids and they have a dead beat that doesn't pay child support. She was telling me how much money she had going to school full time with NO job vs now working. The daycare bill is huge, no more food assistance at school, no more huge wellfare checks or free food, housing vouchers. She doesn't have medicade anymore so now have to pay obama care for her and her kids. She can't afford that but has too and she was telling me how girls at her office were literally crying because of it.

Honestly there is a point to where work is not worth it being just about middle class anymore.

I can't believe this fuck forced us to pay to live or eventually end up in jail. Just wait until all these paycheck to pay check people who can't afford it get royally fucked. I don't know what his real agenda is, but its some seriously sick and twisted fucked up shit.

 

[mpbiz]

Some good arguments in this thread, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you think O'Leary was being completely serious. He's just trying to gain as much attention as possible.

 

[contract]

I agree and I don't agree...

Sure Kevin will say this, lol.

Problem is hard work isn't guaranteed to get you the reward.

I forget which person had a quote on this.. Basically they said hard work was for fools, because most people will work hard at their workplace all their life, and never get any real money in return.

The REAL aspect to all of this is one thing: RISK.

Most people can't risk spending their entire nest egg to get a product to market.

But when you've accumulated so much wealth it snowballs and you're unstoppable. You can keep rolling out new products, taking on new ventures, etc because the risk is so small in comparison to what you're worth.

Do I think the 1% deserves to be that rich? No. Let's face it.. Most of them cheated their way into the money. Some may have had luck/risk/hard-work in their favor, but very few...

When the government says I have to pay 50% tax on a small business starting out, and your company making millions a year pays 0% tax... + You have billions to spend, resources, etc and can pretty much pay any government lobby official off. How the fuck is that even possible for me to compete.

I mean that's one loophole.. When you have power you can keep crushing your competition unless you get fat and lazy.

Fair, no. Level playing field, no. Still possible? Yes.

...

That hoe kept interrupting him, perhaps Kevin would have expanded on it more.

Honestly, a good % of people are lazy as fuck to begin with. So "hard work" is the first stepping stone, something common people will understand/believe.

In essence none of this really matters, lol.

 

[WildGunner]

Why do folks keep introducing other non-related and not even mentioned points (which appear to be thought of as opinions of what they consider opposing views) to justify their perception?

From my perspective, liking OR disliking such clearly orchestrated commentary without understanding it, as the layered onion it truly is, is not only laughable but also dangerous. Interestingly enough, everybody in my house just watched God Bless America. Anybody here seen Wag the Dog, Network? Anyway, let me veer away from those thoughts.

Both of these perspectives lead to the same place.

There is a phrase eluding me for whatever reason, the one that explains where a problem or issue arises between opposing parties (or just a problem in general) and another party introduces a solution. However, the party that introduced the solution created the so-called problem only to get their solution accepted, where prior to the issue it would have faced rejection or opposition. Certainly, someone here knows the phrase, but if not, that’s the phrase explained, high-level.

Reading comments from people getting all hyped, debating this stuff (in the video or similar) or reading about the same lets me know without a doubt, that the one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind. Moreover, if you look closely, that often quoted phrase is part of the “problem” too.

Although people fight from the their corners wielding "race", "nationality", "poverty" and even "wealth", none of those weapons of choice address the questions the orchestrators of reality purposely leave off the table. It is a brilliant game. Us here must appear as rats feasting on the crumbs, sewage and refuse of the master marketers who sit at the table feeding generously on people, getting them to “buy in” with more than their money, but with their thoughts, their behaviors, their way of life, their whole being.

EDIT: There are a few sharp tools in this shed though. A few enjoyable comments here. Still can't believe people parrot this stuff.

 

[SkyFire]

Someone born in Africa has a much lower chance of being successful than someone born into a wealthy American family. If you don't have an education, the internet, or even know opportunity exists beyond a tiny remote village in Africa you grow up in, then you're not going to be successful.

I don't think that's accurate. Different set of obstacles means you need a different set of solutions. Success is also relative.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Papa bear O'leary always delivers, nice.

 

[Marc_L]

Somebody's got to build my web 2.0s.

 

[SHGDigitalMedia]

As a society we went from trying to treat people equally (which is great) to trying to have everyone have the same outcomes in life. But here is a news flash, I'm not 6-10 and I can't dunk a basketball. I shouldn't be paid a salary equal to Lebron James. Everyone is different we all have different desires and drives, some people will be more luckier and have more opportunities in life's others will have to work harder. That's life. Once we understand that we can move on to things that we can control and issues we can fix

 

[cassius]

I honestly cannot believe how such a large percentage of people can't look at this type of thing logically. O'Leary is telling this woman to her face that she has the opportunity to be one of the 1%, and she's too busy yapping about people who don't have socks, while she's sitting there surrounded by billions of dollars of technology, pretending to be suffering financially. Inequality is opportunity. Anything else is going to involve the theft of labor, money, health, and assets. All the while O'Leary is talking about being charitable with the money. Jeebus.

I didn't hear anything that led me to believe the subject of the discussion was her opportunity. Unless we assume she doesn't own a pair of socks, it is pretty obvious they aren't talking about her.

 

[gbmack]

o leary responds with part 2 and rips this girl a new asshole

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMdfArHDc_o&list=UU1dKnMpbZ-XDp_OhcSWoXoA&feature=c4-overview]Lang & O'Leary Exchange - Income Inequality Debate Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[drave]

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[drave]

There is a phrase eluding me for whatever reason, the one that explains where a problem or issue arises between opposing parties (or just a problem in general) and another party introduces a solution. However, the party that introduced the solution created the so-called problem only to get their solution accepted, where prior to the issue it would have faced rejection or opposition. Certainly, someone here knows the phrase, but if not, that’s the phrase explained, high-level.

i believe that phrase is "what the fuck?"

 

[thehobbster]

I didn't hear anything that led me to believe the subject of the discussion was her opportunity. Unless we assume she doesn't own a pair of socks, it is pretty obvious they aren't talking about her.

So if a woman tells you "I can't see you any more, it's not you, it's me." Do you believe that too?

You have to peel back layers and see beneath the surface. Her problem is ALL financial inequality, despite what she says. And she does a poor job of hiding her emotions which are really what's driving her, instead of logic and rationality.

She identifies with this character she's talking about with no socks. She even reaches down to her own feet to make the point.

She doesn't want anyone to have more than her because she's jealous.

She doesn't want anyone to have less than her because she feels guilty.

Then she flat out says in this 2nd video, in the same sentence, and I paraphrase "I'm not anti-capitalist, I'm not anti-market, BUT the rich shouldn't get richer." Complete contradiction. AND she doesn't understand that the rich getting richer is how money gets redistributed. It's how investments happen and jobs get created and blah blah.

She wants to redistribute wealth and fuck anyone who's doing better than she is. She feels safe because she's talking about the 1% and thinks she's safe from the bullshit she'd like to get rolling. She'd be a victim of her own system, because the guy with no socks will look at her and see a rich-fuck the same as he will when he looks at the Mark Zuckerberg. She doesn't understand the viewpoint of the person she's pretending to associate with. She's as far from that person as the 1% is, but she'd rather be in the cool kid's club and be a hipster idiot on TV than use her head.

 

[gbmack]

So if a woman tells you "I can't see you any more, it's not you, it's me." Do you believe that too?

You have to peel back layers and see beneath the surface. Her problem is ALL financial inequality, despite what she says. And she does a poor job of hiding her emotions which are really what's driving her, instead of logic and rationality.

She identifies with this character she's talking about with no socks. She even reaches down to her own feet to make the point.

She doesn't want anyone to have more than her because she's jealous.

She doesn't want anyone to have less than her because she feels guilty.

Then she flat out says in this 2nd video, in the same sentence, and I paraphrase "I'm not anti-capitalist, I'm not anti-market, BUT the rich shouldn't get richer." Complete contradiction. AND she doesn't understand that the rich getting richer is how money gets redistributed. It's how investments happen and jobs get created and blah blah.

She wants to redistribute wealth and fuck anyone who's doing better than she is. She feels safe because she's talking about the 1% and thinks she's safe from the bullshit she'd like to get rolling. She'd be a victim of her own system, because the guy with no socks will look at her and see a rich-fuck the same as he will when he looks at the Mark Zuckerberg. She doesn't understand the viewpoint of the person she's pretending to associate with. She's as far from that person as the 1% is, but she'd rather be in the cool kid's club and be a hipster idiot on TV than use her head.

cherry on the top moment at the end of the 2nd video when you see the girl flirt with kevin - "but i thought you were gonna take care of me in my old age?" - lol. her jealousy slips out. hippocrites gonna hippo.