IT guys rule the roost?

I worked in a major bank in Switzerland (think top 5 worldwide)

IT still gets treated poorly.

What really irks me is that about every fucking company in the world nowadays lives and breathes with the quality of their IT, be it infrastructure like email and printers, intermediate applications like office suites or highly sophisticated custom software.

Still, IT gets a bad standing most of the time. I just don't get it.

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@OP - It must be a Fortune 500 Porn company because I do IT for a civil engineering company and the ratio is 50:1 and that 1 hardly looks like a girl...

In IT if you are always reactive you won't get anywhere.. you need to be proactive and then your department will be noticed when good things happen, not just the bad..
 
I've never worked in IT, but I've always been friendly with the IT guys because I do my shit on the machines they put together and service. It helps when you need something fast and you're on friendly terms with them, and they're usually intelligent people worth hanging out with regardless.

In most cases I've seen, they're overworked, often expected to be on call for no extra compensation. The people up top usually don't understand their needs so they end up with a budget shortfall (fail -- you don't get timely working, tested backups, and your systems will be outdated, or you'll wait days for replacements if something fails) or in rare cases a budget excess (win, you get the best toys, hardware frequently walks out the building).
 
emp said:
I worked in a major bank in Switzerland (think top 5 worldwide)

IT still gets treated poorly.

What really irks me is that about every fucking company in the world nowadays lives and breathes with the quality of their IT, be it infrastructure like email and printers, intermediate applications like office suites or highly sophisticated custom software.

Still, IT gets a bad standing most of the time. I just don't get it.

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Yeah, I worked in infrastructure / network engineering for 6 or so years before I moved into design/development professionally. I realized the last thing I wanted was to be chained to a career in IT.

Really, I just got bent about how sales/marketing staff got treated everywhere I worked. They always got paid better, treated better, didn't work as much or half as hard.
 
Yeah if all you do is watch for spyware, run novell, and mess with exchange and replace heat sinks and chill on irc all day your job will suck.

Anyone with an A+ cert gets those jobs.

If you get a real cert, or some real experience ie security/data you will be treated well as your are not just shooting the shit all day and working on real things. However maybe this falls into IS.

IT department you guys speak of is basically the bottom of the sea.

Specialization in any field is the same, look at AM. However the thing with AM is its very easy to scale and apply the same principals to different camps. However most of the people I know for the past 10-15 years all specialize in one thing particular, and bank.

It's like the old saying, Jack of all trades, but master of none.
 
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THIS.

Swap out cards, fix printers, help desk.... you're shit and will get paid shit, treated like shit and told to eat shit.

A/D, Exchange, Networking, Firewall, VPN, Terminal Server admins? Still eat shit but get paid a little bit better, no more respect though.

Senior DBAs, Devs, Deployment specialists - much better. Most people have no idea what you do or how much you get paid but they know better than to mess with you. Usually they form that observation from the last time they asked you to fix something on their PC and you told them you might get fired doing something reserved for the interns for the salary you make.
 
I would not take a job in IT. The reason for me is that IT is always a service provision to a business. Economics means that by definition a business will only use a service if the business can remain profitable. That means there is always some dude making more money than you who you do the IT for. IT is a technically demanding subject and takes a lot of time and effort, and you do all that for someone who arguably has an easier job than you but makes more money than you. That's why I don't do IT. :banana_sml:

Rgds
 
xtacx said:
Yeah if all you do is watch for spyware, run novell, and mess with exchange and replace heat sinks and chill on irc all day your job will suck.

Anyone with an A+ cert gets those jobs.

If you get a real cert, or some real experience ie security/data you will be treated well as your are not just shooting the shit all day and working on real things. However maybe this falls into IS.

IT department you guys speak of is basically the bottom of the sea.

Specialization in any field is the same, look at AM. However the thing with AM is its very easy to scale and apply the same principals to different camps. However most of the people I know for the past 10-15 years all specialize in one thing particular, and bank.

It's like the old saying, Jack of all trades, but master of none.
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Nope.

I am not talking about "IT support", but of real IT.
Java development, Database administration and development, Linux administration and development (Those were 3 seperate departments at the time)

Good thing for me was, that I was not IT, but project manager.
I could still sympathize with the IT crowd, coming from that background myself.

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All the Network Admins I've ever talked to.. ever.. have an insane amount of blow-off time on the job.

They sit there playing MMOs and other games, bullshitting in forums, etc. They got it good.
 
jryan21 said:
I knew a guy who they had to have on site because he knew COBOL and some of the procedural stuff that goes with it; and some of their critical systems still ran it.

He showed me how to make the heater with the coffee can, a roll of TP and some kerosene and told me he stays warm by hovering over this while they have him locked in the server room all night.
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I was a programmer/analyst round '99, I remember listings for COBOL programmers for around 200-300 and hour, because all those corporations who found it too expensive to upgrade were now faced with the imminent threat that their 80s mainframe code might fail as Y2K rolled around. Talk bout borrowing money from the future when you do shit like that.
 
I don't know about actual IT jobs in office corps, however, at my school our IT technicians just sit around playing loud music and smoking :)
 
LotsOfZeros said:
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Deployment specialists
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^^^Me for my daytime job.

Going rate for my services (long term contract) is $125/hr.

Open market rate for someone with my certs doing project/consulting work is between $150 and $225/hr, depending on who they work for.

Independent contractors (same certs) can get $75-90/hr.
 
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