Interviewing Shark Tank partners of Mark Cuban

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I'm doing a piece on the founders of Misto Box who appeared on Shark Tank during the end of Season 4 and went on to partner with Mark Cuban.

Anything you guys want me to ask them?

I'll publish the piece in 14-21 days. See sig link.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhoW4hGaTuc"]MistoBox Coffee: Making Mornings Awesome - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I'd be curious to know about how hands on the sharks are actually with the business, from what I understand they partner with these businesses and then you're essentially working with them by proxy through people that they hire.
 
I'd be curious to know about how hands on the sharks are actually with the business, from what I understand they partner with these businesses and then you're essentially working with them by proxy through people that they hire.
That's how all billionaire investors are. If they took a hands-on approach with all their investments, they wouldn't have the time to become, or stay, billionaires :)
 
Sure. Why aren't they stamping Mark Cubans gorgeous face on every package of coffee they send? They could turn Cuban into the American version of Juan Valdez.

juanvaldez.jpg
 
Did they get a bigger boost from the partnership or the 'free advertisement' from simply being on SharkTank
 
Did they get a bigger boost from the partnership or the 'free advertisement' from simply being on SharkTank


I've seen several shows where I thought that was the intent.

Though, watching people get roasted on their math didn't make me want to be their customer. But I also know I'm not really a normal consumer.
 
Thanks guys, interview conducted. I'll update when ready for viewing.

ack, too bad. I hope you mentioned something about Cuban's recent tantrum in the media regarding the equity clause Shark Tank makes contestants sign on the show.

For those of you who don't know: ANYONE who gets to go on the show HAS to give up 2-5% (total revenue) of their company despite if they win or not.

Cuban recently threatened to leave if they didn't retroactively take that clause out.
 
ack, too bad. I hope you mentioned something about Cuban's recent tantrum in the media regarding the equity clause Shark Tank makes contestants sign on the show.

For those of you who don't know: ANYONE who gets to go on the show HAS to give up 2-5% (total revenue) of their company despite if they win or not.

Cuban recently threatened to leave if they didn't retroactively take that clause out.

I really want to not like him, but fuck that's cool.
 
Oh darn! I was going to ask you to inquire if they blew through all of Mark's $75,000 investment yet? And how much longer they envisioned making a go at selling beans - before they got tired of filling 100- 1,xxx bag's by hand or ran out of money altogether.

Having looked at similar subscription box models and p/l (profit and loss) statement's, I can tell you that it's a very low margin business, with a relatively high customer acquisition cost (long term).

Some of the issues:
1. They claimed on the tv show their cost to acquire a customer was $5. (They also said they did limited advertising, and most was blog outreach, kickstarter, techcrunch,ect). The issue is that REALLY they do not have a firm grasp on the cost to acquire a customer, which is a huge factor of how long they will be able to be sustainable. The FREE press that came from their kick-starter campaigns, tv show promo,ect .. Is not something that will be continuously repeatable. So they will have to pay a LOT more to acquire each customer going forward -- honestly I wouldn't be surprised if their true COST TO ACQUIRE A customer is more within the $40-60 range.

a)On the first month they already reduce the price for that month to $5.. So right there that's a $10 acquisition cost, on top of whatever marketing/PPC/advertising costs it took to get that customer.

2) They literally are bagging each product by hand, filling the beans and then sealing the packages. So even if they can do it right now, going forward, they will have to buy more equipment, buy automated equipment, hire more workers,ect...

a) At some point, they are going to want to draw a paycheck and be able to pay themselves a reasonable salary, which will be extremely hard to do, with profit margins. It's not going to take long, before they get tired of filling 1000+ bag's of coffee, and not having any "Beans" to show for it ...

3) Then you get down to the fixed operating costs and cost to fulfill the orders, which they clearly at this point are taking upon themselves. Going forward, to really grow the business and make it an invest-able venture, they are going to have to take that into consideration.

So going with the smallest monthly order it's $15 per month/customer.
a) Assuming they are able to continue to convince suppliers to give them free coffee, which is highly unlikely forever.. but assuming.

b) You have packaging, fulfillment, shipping and fixed operating costs now. Which just in shipping costs and packaging you are looking at about on the low side $8 a box. Judging by the box, shipping costs, ect (you can see what all goes into a box in the video below).

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ayW4opyQI]Misto Box Month 2 Review ... Free Grinder! - YouTube[/ame]

c) Then you have fixed costs- such as rent, electricity, equipment, repairs

d) And let's assume people want to get paid - you have to factor that into things.


So once you factor everything in, you are looking at if they are lucky a $1-2 net profit per customer, per month... And with cost of acquisition, it could make it much lower and potentially negative...


4) And then finally as a forward looking indicator and their market reaction. Their facebook page has 769 likes, an abysmal user interaction rate. Youtube uploads about the product are equally as bad, with limited views. All which lends itself as consumers aren't REALLY EXCITED about this service, so cost to acquire a new customer, is going to be much higher going forward.

5) Which leads me to similar businesses in the marketplace. There are about eight companies that also do the same thing - subscription coffee boxes in the past year. Already two of those companies are shutdown.

https://terrabeancoffee.com
http://www.boxofbrew.com/
 
I think the exciting part of this interview is in the fact that its a company that got onto Shark Tank and went on to win Mark's investment. I focused primarily on how other companies can achieve the same thing. I definitely asked about the experience and how Mark has helped their company, but I left the "reality" of the television show alone and aimed for something more actionable.

If you have a business and you would actually like a shot in front of the sharks, hopefully this interview sets you up with the information you'd need for that.
 
No margin here...

I can tell you that it's a very low margin business, with a relatively high customer acquisition cost (long term).

...
honestly I wouldn't be surprised if their true COST TO ACQUIRE A customer is more within the $40-60 range.
...

Which leads me to similar businesses in the marketplace. There are about eight companies that also do the same thing - subscription coffee boxes in the past year. Already two of those companies are shutdown.

https://terrabeancoffee.com
http://www.boxofbrew.com/
I completely agree w/everything you said. In particular, I think you are spot on w/their acqusition cost being silly.

The only point you didn't mention pertains to Total Customer Value. If their research shows that a customer will stay with them, then perhaps their costs are justified.

I've done some research in this space - and I can tell you they don't really have a chance. I looked at their website recently and noticed they have already branched out to a bunch of other coffee related products. That must be the impact of some investor who took a harder more realistic look at their model.

Really, there is nothing really unique about their service. They don't have any added value that I can see. There are many "micro roaster aggregators" like this that have bit the dust over the last 3 years.

I'm also entering this space, with a different approach. Here's my site: European Coffee Society | Exclusive "Michelin Star" quality coffee, FEDEX'd directly from Europe to your door, monthly. and my fledgling FB: http://www.facebook.com/europeancoffeesociety


I'm actually just launching now... in these days...

No guarantee I'll make it, of course. But my model is also quite different than theirs.

I'll be in Paris the end of the month. Happy to buy you a coffee and chat about it.
 
Annoying girl narrating reminded me of this, plus he's in a coffee shop, weird coincidence. Skip to 1:03.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ51BNYXbV4"]Louis CK LOUIE FX Tuesdays at 11pm Coffee Shop scene ep 8 - YouTube[/ame]