Iframing section of affiliate link! WTF

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LemonAden

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hey guys. took a break because i was out of the country.

Ive been working with a few programmers (from india) to attempt to do some work for me. The last time i was posting i had been asking if there were a way to create a page that on it would be "my ad" and underneath it i could iframe a certain section of an affiliate page via my affiliate link... so basically it would show my ad and then a zip box and submit, rather than have to see some bullshit affiliate add saying something like "enter zip to win ipod or WII". I want to write my own ad that doesnt sound bullshit and then have the affiliate box and submit show under it via iframe or whatever means it takes to get it done.

I had one tester who made it work, BUT something in the cookies were not registering the $$ in my affiliate account. Here is his response:

"Thank you very much for your email, and sorry for the late reply.
I've been trying to find a solution to your problem, but it looks like there's no one. I mean if it was not an affiliate page, then the method I used would work. But it IS an affiliate page, and while redirecting people from your affiliate link to the actual page with the zip code form, lots of affiliate tracking cookies are planted. I tried to replicate them, but that was just a waste of time. Hopefully the other provider will be able to help you."

So this guy was not able to get it done. I have someone else working on it,and i know it can be done because i know people on DP who are doing it but wont tell me how they do it. What i dont understand is why it has anything to do with cookies. If the affiliate link loads but only shows the zip section on my page, then its loading everything required wether they see the entire page or not. When they hit submit, it should submit everything as it is, and i could care less what they see after they hit submit, all i want is credit for the submit.

Does anyone know what the issue is, what the terminology is or what i need to do or who to hire to get this done? I dont do well with pay per sale type programs and these cheap $1.10 ones are what i am starting with before trying to get into the bigger stuff. The problem is that the affiliate made landing pages SUCK and (most) people are too smart to enter a zipcode and more-so an email. IDEAS? Ive been doing this for a year now. Making enough income where i got to quit my shit office job, but i need to step it up and since i learned more on this forum in 2 months than i did on DP in 9, i figured i would ask. Thanks for help in advance
 
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I wonder if this would work, though it is rather convoluted.
Using a proggie like Covertlinks to display the merchants page within a page on your own site. Then use an iframe on your landing page to display the relevant section of the cloaked link page. Then your cookie would always be set, would it not?
The reason I mention Covertlinks is it allows the setting of the cookie etc & bypasses the IE7 3rd party cookie crap, doesn't use frames (php ver) and works in FF etc etc.

Then again I might just be talking poo....
 
not sure at all.. i do marketing, not programing which is why im looking for a solution. I need to figure this out, wont just benefit me, it would benefit anyone trying to do the same thing i am which i am sure is a lot of people
 
all i've seen are the $1.10 zip submits. what other ones are there and how much do they pay out?
 
Maybe you can do something with div layers. Iframe the affiliate page into your page and then overlay the area you don't want to show with a div layer. Not sure if it would work (I don't know how div layers would react when trying to place them over iframes) but it's worth taking a look at.
 
Maybe you can do something with div layers. Iframe the affiliate page into your page and then overlay the area you don't want to show with a div layer. Not sure if it would work (I don't know how div layers would react when trying to place them over iframes) but it's worth taking a look at.

Interesting... this idea is worth investigating...
 
yeah i tried to do something similar, but was unable to get the div on top of the iframe. even using z index i was unsuccessful.
 
Your problem is the P3P Privacy Policy blocking the cookie in IE. If you ran the same test in Firefox, you would notice that your sales would track properly.

Sometimes, all it takes is to suggest to the affiliate vendor to add a P3P policy to their domain allowing third party cookies to be passed. Once that is set, your iframe cookie will work in IE on default settings.

The problem, of course, is getting an "acceptable" P3P policy for IE to allow third party cookies, by default, can be difficult to achieve.

i know it can be done because i know people on DP who are doing it but wont tell me how they do it.
Yo, if the above is how they did it, fine. If it isn't, holy shit, I got to find out how. I can make sooo much more if I had access to getting around internet explorer's third party cookie blocking.

IE6 & IE7 have these cookie blocking settings in place by default.
 
I kind of understand what you are saying.. but what i dont get is why if the entire affiliate landing page is loaded on "my page" and sectioned off to just the zip submit section, why would cookies have anything to do with it.. should they not still accept the cookies regardless of if the affliate frame is "hidden" or not? Here is an example of what one of the guys did for me:

http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/

He sectioned off the entire zip submit section while showing how i can put any HTML or images or anything i want above and below that zip submit section. But when i hit submit in IE6 IE7 or firefox, it is NOT registering in my affiliate account. I have tried with multiple friends from multiple IP's and nothing is working. Is there not some way out there to make this work.. anymore iseas?
 
that URL is not mine... that is the testing site he was making for me. Im not sure what he did or how, all i asked was that he made me a page that shows ONLY the section i needed with the zip and submit. I dont understand why that is so hard. I dont know why he would need to clone anything, is there not a way to target in an iframe just a certain section of another page... like have the iframe load my affiliate URL everytime a new person visits thus removing the issue with cookies?

Basically, all i wanted him to do was to make me a page i can put on my server with a frame, div, whatever you call it, that will redirect the framed section to my affiliate ID while only showing the zip and submit section of that page.

there is no way to do this?
 
Maybe it is my firewall settings but the "code after iframe" doesn't load on IE7 or FF 2.0.0.3.

Either way, I don't care how you sugar coat this, when you pull an affiliate tracking ID from an IFRAME, you are requesting a third party cookie in the eyes of IE. If the third party doesn't have a suitable P3P policy, you'll get the cookie blocked. Yes, it may load but no, it will not credit you with the sale unless they also track by IP.

Load that page in IE6 or 7 and look at the bottom for a privacy icon. From there, you can click "Learn more about cookies" then in the help file read more about third party cookies. Doubleclick and a lot of banner exchange programs have a suitable P3P policy to allow these cookies through.

I was never able to figure out a workaround to get third party cookies through IE6-7 without a P3P policy in place. I am just explaining to you what I had to figure out on my own with several hours of research.
 
Just to reiterate a point made earlier in the thread, the link you posted has the merchant landing page copied to his own server. The iframe links to a page on his own site, not your affiliate link. This will also cause problems with tracking besides the 3rd party cookie issue. Also, for me in IE7, the iframe shows the top of the page not the zip section.
 
wow. really sucks. anybody have any other idea or method to make this happen, withor without iframe? If so, im paying 2 guys to do the work, just let me know your ideas and if i get a working result, i will of course share the info
 
Following up on what ScottDaMan was saying about P3P policies:

To check whether an advertiser has a valid P3P you can use This Link.

To draft a P3P policy your advertiser can use This Link. (There are a number of these, but I like this link because it's from IBM, so advertisers will trust it.)

For more info about P3P, try This Link.

I got these links together for an advertiser that wants to let me use iframes. Anyone have any advice about whether I'm better off staying away from iframes until the advertiser has a valid P3P policy?
 
GREAT GREAT info and i understand now. Unless the merchant landing page that my affiliate URL points to has a valid P3P policy on their server, then it will not allow the cookie i need to get my credit to come through.... am i getting this right?

I just spoke with my affiliate manager about it and im hoping she will look into it. Givawaycafe is a huge advertiser andi dont understand why they would not have this to begin with. I checked another advertiser with that validation tool above and saw that it did have one, but still am not sure if it would work... can someone check this out for me?

this is the URL that my affiliate link points to when clicked
PremiumProductsOnline
 
I'm not so sure it even needs a cookie. If your affiliate ID is in a hidden input in the form it might work anyway. Which it could be because i see this, <input type="hidden" name="cid" value="pk02PA7lJf8=" />, could be something like that.

Why I said it probably don't work because it seems like he cloned the page is.
1. Wrong referer
2. Maybe not your affiliate Id is such a hidden form.

Is this the url you have tested if the conversions is counted with? http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/ . I mean, look at the iframe URL:
Welcome to GiveawayCafe.com
Maybe try to change that to the actual real page?

Code:
Code before frame
   <iframe name="myIframe" src="http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/affiliate_link.html#zip" width="100%" height="110" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" righmargin="0" leftmargin="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Code after frame
There's your source code of http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/
 
Following up on what ScottDaMan was saying about P3P policies:

To check whether an advertiser has a valid P3P you can use This Link.

To draft a P3P policy your advertiser can use This Link. (There are a number of these, but I like this link because it's from IBM, so advertisers will trust it.)

For more info about P3P, try This Link.

I got these links together for an advertiser that wants to let me use iframes. Anyone have any advice about whether I'm better off staying away from iframes until the advertiser has a valid P3P policy?
You don't need to avoid iframes completely, even if they don't have a valid P3P policy yet. Unless all of your users use IE6-7, you'll at least get some conversions via Firefox. I have had success using iframes on my sites, even though only 40% of my users use firefox. Other markets may only see 10% firefox usage so it is up to your site and current awstats/analog/etc stats
 
You don't need to avoid iframes completely, even if they don't have a valid P3P policy yet. Unless all of your users use IE6-7, you'll at least get some conversions via Firefox. I have had success using iframes on my sites, even though only 40% of my users use firefox. Other markets may only see 10% firefox usage so it is up to your site and current awstats/analog/etc stats

Yeah, but I'm doing PPC, so I don't see any way I could increase conversions enough with an iframe to make up for the IE cookie issue.
 
Juicify,

I dont know what the guy did. All i wanted done was to load my affiliate URL into a page but have it only display as seen on the page the guy did for me. It displays exactly what i wanted it to display but when i hit submit, i dont get any credit.

Personally,i dont know how to iframe off a single section of another site. I know how to iframe and have it show the whole site,but not just the section as you see that this guy did for me.

If i can get a page on my server such as www.xxxxxx.com and have it show JUST the zipcode and submit section of my affiliate ID, i will be happy.

Does anyone know how to do this? I think the guy trying to help did not know what he was doing.




I'm not so sure it even needs a cookie. If your affiliate ID is in a hidden input in the form it might work anyway. Which it could be because i see this, <input type="hidden" name="cid" value="pk02PA7lJf8=" />, could be something like that.

Why I said it probably don't work because it seems like he cloned the page is.
1. Wrong referer
2. Maybe not your affiliate Id is such a hidden form.

Is this the url you have tested if the conversions is counted with? http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/ . I mean, look at the iframe URL:
Welcome to GiveawayCafe.com
Maybe try to change that to the actual real page?

Code:
Code before frame
   <iframe name="myIframe" src="http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/affiliate_link.html#zip" width="100%" height="110" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" righmargin="0" leftmargin="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Code after frame
There's your source code of http://www.fattakhov.com/dev/adenmott/
 
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