I don't want to scam people...

My 2 cents...

- Buyer beware: We used to be a country were you were responsible for your own actions. The GOOD offers have customer service, phone number, and honor cancels. I think people are fucking lazy POS that can't read a simple fucking T&C and whine to their forums when they were "Scammed".
- The USA has some of the highest refund and chargeback rates in these verticals compared to other countries.
- Scam: A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
- Fraud: A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

The offers that are done correctly are not scams. I think you are confusing complaintsboard and alike that these are somehow scams. Just because people are not happy with the product does not = scam.

If you feel that way go ahead and try to compete with the free trials
 


forgot I had another penny...

My guess is that stupid pimple face fucks saw that the advertisers doing the volume tried to jump in the game not knowing all the things you need to do to keep this above board.
 
i don't promote rebills for that exact reason they take advantage of people.. probably poor people.. i would not want to be the reason someone doesn't eat food one night or can't pay a certain bill because they got tricked into signing up for some ridiculous lie.. "oh sign up for this and you'll be making millions a month by just posting links on google".. "oh here the gov. wants to give you money just for being you just sign up here for free".. "eat whatever you want and still lose weight" not only are your ads/lps deceptive themselves but then you completely rape someone who 99% of the time does not know they are gonna get charged $50+ a month hereafter.. its ridiculous.. i don't believe in karma i do believe in do onto others as you would have others do unto you..

you can do other crap and be profitable.. i've made over 140k rev since i started ppc about 45 days ago on something that is ethical and actually helps people.. be creative..
 
i think scammers are those who do not follow the rules and it is the mistake of the buyer they should know hoe to buy a thing online...there are given pardon next time they do not make mistakes..
 
For the people with moral dilemmas about rebills, consider this:

America and the rest of the world is facing a global recession due to the actions of a small group of greedy fucks on Wall St. The world is essentially suffering while the ones who caused the problem are getting huge bonuses in the form of taxpayer bailout money.

Thousands of investors, small banks, businesses, etc were misled into "solid investments" which were misrepresented as being low risk AAA rating when in reality they were complete trash...

BUT...here is the kicker, the blame for the current economic downturn is not solely to be placed on Wall St - many of the people were greedily buying up these "pie in the sky" investments with the expectation that they themselves were going to get rich.

Nature does not observe "right" and "wrong"; compassion and harmony (think American Indians) is rarely rewarded while focused aggression (european settlers) is almost always the ticket to greener pastures. It's not so much a moral dilemma as it is a question of your willingness to excel.

You're not going to go to heaven if you don't promote re-bills and you won't go to hell if you do...but you will probably make a lot more money if you do promote them. I do recommend that you at least check out the offer and read the terms yourself. If they are blatantly ripping people off by charging money and not providing anything at all in return, then you probably want to shy away from that...but if they have a proper product/service and T&C page that explains the terms, the sole responsibility falls on the buyer.
 
@OP - if you have any heartburn promoting rebills there are plenty of other products/offers that you can push but you will be missing out on the bigger opps there are out there IMO. You throw the "scam" word around a little to much for my taste as the t+cs clearly state what the rebill is. You found the rebill info so then others could/should do the same thing. Stop crying and find something else to push.

about PapaJohn - he actually is a scientist. First AM scientist I have run across in 8 years of online marketing.
 
I have been having this same serious question mentally.

I am very leery of promoting any of the re-bills. I've looked through MANY landing pages on several networks. Most of them do actually have decent ToS declarations. However, I have some serious reservations about using even these.

It's pretty clear the FTC has started to crack down on all of this stuff. If the products don't perform AND the billing is perceived as scammy I'd rather not deal with the legal hassle down the road.

Note I said "perceived" as scammy - whether or not it is for any single offer is debatable but I think it's pretty clear that consumers are going to start lumping all of these things into the same mental category when they complain to the FTC.

I've dealt with legal problems in the past. They are zero fun. Mine were very, very minor and I don't ever want to even go down that road again.
 
If the t+cs are clear and the product owner actually responds to customer service inquiries (you can check this too) then the FTC is not going fuck with it. The FTC has had problems with companies not having clear t+cs and pretty much ignoring customers.

Harpo and Google really didn't like people using their trademarked products/images.

And as long as your landing pages are on the up and up or atleast have clearly marked disclaimers you should be ok.

A safe way to find these would be to run offers that have been out there for a while and not just the last Acai offer that just popped up.
 
Rebills + Global Warming .....humphhh, I actually see the correlation. Whadya know
 
Getting scammed teaches people how to think for themselves. This is not moral relativism, it's just common sense.

If you stick a screwdriver into a socket, you learn a lesson from experience.

If no one gives you a socket, not only don't you learn, you don't have electricity and you live in a dark, cold environment.

Rebills will eventually be passe. People will learn their lesson and move on.

Until then, profiting from it is beneficial to both parties.

Doubt me?

Did your mom hold you up so you never fell when you were a child?

If she did, you're crippled now.

If she didn't, do you still fall over when you try to get to the coffee table?

I'm so sick of hearing about the "morality" of commerce. People who refuse to let other people learn from the pain of their mistakes are creating crippled, semi-retarded, incapable human beings.

Profiting from others misery is not evil, bad or any other word you want to apply.

Your adherence to outdated moralities that ensure a state of childish inadequacy in everyone on earth through your "protection" by moral imperative is far more destructive than letting people learn to function on their own.

Get off your fucking high horse. You aren't helping them by your oh-so-moral refusal to "take advantage", you're condemning them to lives of servility and dependency.

I say "Shame on you" for your unconsidered morality.

You do far more harm by assuring people that someone else will always look out for them (so they don't have to learn to think) than anyone here who reaps a profit at their expense.

Fuck you. You allow people to remain sheep, cowards and servants.

At least I help them learn to be adults by fucking them.
 
scubaslick said:
Getting scammed teaches people how to think for themselves. This is not moral relativism, it's just common sense.

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At least I help them learn to be adults by fucking them.
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Knowingly promoting scammy offers is something I choose to not do along with (presumably) the original author. It's a valid stand to take.

That said, the ultimate re-bill offers all happen on Sunday mornings....they don't have to provide tangible/measurable results and guilt you into giving them money. That's why I've successfully steered clear of churches for over half my life now.
 
scubaslick said:
Rebills will eventually be passe. People will learn their lesson and move on.
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I don't disagree with most of what you said, except that...

The business model of billing people after an intial "trial" period is nothing new, in fact it has been around for decades and I doubt it will go away any time soon. What may change is a crackdown on offers that are genuinely out to rip people off by taking money without ever intending to provide a product or service...or those that take misrepresentation to an extreme.
 
scubaslick said:
I'm so sick of hearing about the "morality" of commerce. People who refuse to let other people learn from the pain of their mistakes are creating crippled, semi-retarded, incapable human beings.
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it's inevitable.

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scubaslick: there's a difference, a wide streak of difference, between promoting something that's simply a shitty offer that doesn't provide a person with any real benefit (i.e. acai pills) and something that's an out and out stealing money from people through being totally disingenuous (grant offers promoted using Obama that say you can get grants for perosnal expenses).
By and large, I think the people that are taking the "moral stand" (and I'm one of them I'll admit) in what they promote are doing so as to avoid any potential that they could also be promoting something that is, in effect, criminal.

There's a reason why a lot of these offers are coming under the scrutiny of attorney generals in the US, and other regulatory bodies abroad.
 
HarveyJ said:
scubaslick: there's a difference, a wide streak of difference, between promoting something that's simply a shitty offer that doesn't provide a person with any real benefit (i.e. acai pills) and something that's an out and out stealing money from people through being totally disingenuous (grant offers promoted using Obama that say you can get grants for perosnal expenses).
By and large, I think the people that are taking the "moral stand" (and I'm one of them I'll admit) in what they promote are doing so as to avoid any potential that they could also be promoting something that is, in effect, criminal.

There's a reason why a lot of these offers are coming under the scrutiny of attorney generals in the US, and other regulatory bodies abroad.
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Well said and I think breaking the law is retarded just like (I hope) everyone here. Your stance is a pragmatic one, not a moralistic one: you don't want to go to jail.

That being said, anyone who would buy into one of those lines (Obama wants to give you a check so you can buy diapers for your kid) or believes Oprah about ANYTHING related to weight loss truly needs to be shocked into reality. They're pissing away their lives sitting on the couch doing nothing or out surfing the net instead of working out or getting a second job (or a third or building a business) because they have entitlement mentalities and have been bred to believe someone else will take care of it. I actually care about people, believe it or not. And from my point of view the wake-up call these fucking people get when that rebill hits the card or the shitty product hits the mail box has a chance to help them.

Yes, I'm generalizing about who falls for this shit. It could be your copy is good enough to convert Bill Gates on a personal grant, I don't know. But I doubt there are a ton of people out there falling for it that wouldn't learn something valuable from the experience.

All sweeping generalizations still suck though.

Oh, and as for rebills becoming passe, I meant eventually the furor over them will die down and nobody will even think twice about them any more (until the next cycle of course). I didn't mean they'll disappear as in actually never be used again.
 
erect said:
Not commenting on that specific product since I've never used it but teeth whitening products actually work.

... as opposed to weight loss sugar pills (oxymoron)
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Exactly the point. It depends on the quality of product they offer, and whether or not it actually does what it says it will do. If it weren't the case nobody would care less about being rebilled.


and lol at the tag.
 
I am wary of trial offers like this one. I would much prefer just to outright buy a kit, rather than getting involved in a rebill program.

I think trial offers are confusing & would guess may people would agree with me. Therefore, wouldn't it be tough working with customers who get upset because they didn't understand?

Also, if the company you're working with is honest, you shouldn't have to worry about them billing early or making a fuss over canceling a trial run. The problem is deciding if the company is reputable...

However, when the customer only pays $4.95 for the trial, how can the company pay you $40?

Another thing to consider--if the customer only has 7 days to cancel the trial before getting charged again, is that enough time to test the product? How fast is the shipping?
 
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