How the USA responds to Bad Credit Ratings

It's hard to feel bad for these guys. Yes it might be a personal vendetta. And much as I dislike 99% of political figures, these scum deserve no lenience. In any just system all these credit rating agency guys would be round up and shot.

They were the ones saying debt packages assembled from margarita ville securities were AAA+ - That is a big part of why we are in the mess we are in. Not that this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. But if any of these fucks tear each other to pieces, I'm going to be happy, not for the winning side, but just to watch the losing side lose.
This might come as a surprise to you, but Egan-Jones had about as much to do with "debt packages assembled from margarita ville securities were AAA+" as George Carlin did. E-J is being disciplined for compliance discrepancies. They claimed in 2008 that they had asset-backed rating experience, when in fact they had not. Further convinces me that Dodd-Frank is designed solely to snare any entity the SEC feels like, certainly hasn't and won't help anything.

Egan-Jones is also the only ratings shop (and E-J is puny, btw) that doesn't get paid by the issuers of the securities they rate, ie. "evil bankers".

But what the fuck difference should that make, right? No lenience for that evil scum!

So enjoy your pound of flesh, bro.

On July 16, 2011, Egan-Jones downgraded the U.S.’s sovereign debt by one notch, to double-A plus from triple-A due to “the relatively high level of debt and the difficulty in significantly cutting spending.”

Two days later, the SEC’s Office of Compliance Inspections and Examinations called Egan-Jones demanding information about its downgrade. That following month, S&P downgraded the U.S.’s sovereign debt, and also met with a government backlash.

That October, the SEC called Egan-Jones to inform the firm it was filing a Wells Notice, often meaning an SEC probe had been launched. Wells Notices are an indication SEC “staff is nearing a completion point of its investigation and is potentially going to recommend an enforcement action to the commission,” notes an SEC spokesman.



And what about the publicly traded Moodys/Standard & Poors, which are staffed with sterling professionals angling for investment banking and syndicate desk jobs at JP Morgan, Goldman, etc.?

Well, I'm sure they got the message. Finally, financial reform!!!
 


This might come as a surprise to you, but Egan-Jones had about as much to do with "debt packages assembled from margarita ville securities were AAA+" as George Carlin did. E-J is being disciplined for compliance discrepancies. They claimed in 2008 that they had asset-backed rating experience, when in fact they had not. Further convinces me that Dodd-Frank is designed solely to snare any entity the SEC feels like, certainly hasn't and won't help anything.

Egan-Jones is also the only ratings shop (and E-J is puny, btw) that doesn't get paid by the issuers of the securities they rate, ie. "evil bankers".

But what the fuck difference should that make, right? No lenience for that evil scum!

So enjoy your pound of flesh, bro.

On July 16, 2011, Egan-Jones downgraded the U.S.’s sovereign debt by one notch, to double-A plus from triple-A due to “the relatively high level of debt and the difficulty in significantly cutting spending.”

Two days later, the SEC’s Office of Compliance Inspections and Examinations called Egan-Jones demanding information about its downgrade. That following month, S&P downgraded the U.S.’s sovereign debt, and also met with a government backlash.

That October, the SEC called Egan-Jones to inform the firm it was filing a Wells Notice, often meaning an SEC probe had been launched. Wells Notices are an indication SEC “staff is nearing a completion point of its investigation and is potentially going to recommend an enforcement action to the commission,” notes an SEC spokesman.



And what about the publicly traded Moodys/Standard & Poors, which are staffed with sterling professionals angling for investment banking and syndicate desk jobs at JP Morgan, Goldman, etc.?

Well, I'm sure they got the message. Finally, financial reform!!!

Yeah, I was being a dick. It's just one of those days for me.
 
He isn't.

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AH!! Very good, I love learning new stuff!

So, I retract my previous statement, and it is indeed hilarious. :banana_sml:
 
Read "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis and you will realise what a crock of shit the output of ratings agencies is.

ML is right, rating agencies are a crock... but the only crock in town. the US credit rating is the only thing keeps US borrowing afloat. its the linchpin. when that goes (and eventually it will), the whole facade will crumble. world reserve currency status, the ability to borrow, everything. the fact that Moody's et al will wait until its too late to accurately rate government debt should be obvious to everyone. when that dam breaks, its game over.
 
Ugh. :disgust: I KNEW I hated that cronyist.... I just didn't know how much yet.

those rating agencies nearly have a competitive monopoly and command massive fees. they are the perfect biz to invest in. investing heavily in them doesn't make one a cronyist, its just smart investing. while it COULD be abused, everybody knows buffett has a complete hands-off approach to every company he invest in, he doesn't meddle with management, ever. i agree one could draw conclusions from this scenario if one was so inclined (ahem), but this isn't one of those cases.

i like you, bud, but this is the wrong tree to bark up.
 
those rating agencies nearly have a competitive monopoly and command massive fees. they are the perfect biz to invest in. investing heavily in them doesn't make one a cronyist, its just smart investing.
This isn't the only reason I call Buffet a Cronyist... He made himself the Posterboy for crony capitalism on this day:

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His involvement with Moody's is just some of the icing on that cake.
 
If only the financial elite followed the same moral code as the IM elite, corruption and exploitation would be a thing of the past!
 
Normally, I think you're smoking meth when you post LukeP, but this was a good read. Good post.