Shit man. If Russians invaded EU last year, they would be in Spain right now.
You suggest to arm Ukraine, just like you probably was for arming rebels in Syria? Guess where that weapon went? ISIL?
Now, because you said that you have fear about ISIL getting nuclear weapon and that Putin want to invade EU, or that Criema people dont want to be in Russia(even when westerns media poll show that 90% of them support Crimea to be a part of Russia), then really we dont have nothing to talk about.
Also saying that battle of Debaltzevo and Ilovaysk was victory for Ukraine makes you look really stupid. I dont have time for this redneck idiot that thinks arming somebody is the way to handle this things.
Good news is that US is loosing its dominance around the world and no president can stop this right now. So maybe we just avoid another war.
poseidon39, first line of yourreply shows that you know nothing of events in Ukraine, unfortunately.
I did not say anything about Ilovaysk. If you want to know my opinion - it was the deathtrap for Ukrainian forces, made by Russian military. I think you do not doubt it, as well as anyone in the thinking world. Only Russian idiots still believe "there are no regular Russian military units in Ukraine. And the ones who are present are volunteers, who go there on vacation". With tanks, artillery and missile launchers. Volunteers, my arse.
About Debaltzevo - 3000 Ukrainian warriors with 240 armored units defended against 15 000 Russian troops with 450 armored units for a month. Killed 8 000 man and destroyed 200 armored vehicles. Then 2000 survivors with 80 remaining armored units rushed out of the trap and got to safety. If that is not a victory to you - I do not know what to say.
Once again, on "Russian supremacy". Russian army still uses T-72 as the main battle tank. It was designed in 1972, 40 years ago. The same as Mig-29 interceptor, Su-25 attacker plane, Tu-95 bomber, 122mm "Pion" artillery and AK-74 assault rifle.
All of this weaponry was designed in Soviet Union and is utterly useless nowadays.
Russian military corpse indeed has some astonishing designs, yet they lack production facilities, time and money to rearm their whole army. Please, don't repeat this bulls1t again. Russians have no modern army and as the last year showed - they cannot wage war. Massive rush with huge losses - that is the only thing they can do.
I will tell you a little secret, fella. Not all of Soviet facilities were deployed in Russia. Do you know why Russians failed 4 times last year to launch their Proton-M space rocket? 3 launches in 2014 led to explosion and one yesterday was delayed due to "technical issues"
Because control systems for Protons are designed and built on Kharkiv aerospace plant "Khartron" in Ukraine. Jet engines and rocket hulls are built on "Yuzhmash" (Southern Mashinery) plant in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine. Details for tanks and artillery system are built on Kharkiv Tank Plant "Malishev". Radio control an communication systems are built on "Tochpribor" factory in Kiev, Ukraine. Ukraine houses facilities for production of 30-70% of parts and components of Soviet armored vehicles and equipment.
Why so? Because they had to repair armor and equipment in Hungary, Romania, Poland, occupied Germany, etc. It was the right decision to locate production and repair facilities in Ukraine - and Soviets did it.
And since annexation of Crimea not a single system or component was sold to Russia. They tried to replace these with their own designs - and you know the results. 3 explosions and a delayed start. This applies to ALL military production - without friendly Ukraine Russia is not the great country. It is just a huge territory, nothing more.
Russians try to replace Ukrainian parts and components with their own... well.. good luck to them. 3 explosions and a delayed start. nice statistics.
100% Russian rocket "Angara" could not start for 3 times already... and I doubt it ever will. NASA broke contract with Roskosmos after explosion of Russian rocket engine last fall and signed a contract with Lockheed Martin instead.
The biggest library in Moscow burned to the ground recently because they did not have modern firefighting equipment and water helped little. By the way, 2 days after the fire Russians stated that there never were any Stalin's repressions against Ukrainians in 1932-33 yy, as no evidence could be found in burned library... just extraordinary.
Later on they had to sink their NUCLEAR CARRIER SUBMARINE "TULA" several days ago, because it was on fire an could blow like a nuclear bomb - and RUSSIANS DID NOT HAVE FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT ON A NUCLEAR SUBMARINE.
Just now - parts of Siberia are on fire, 2 cities are already burned to the ground and Russian space launch facility is also destroyed - because RUSSIANS CAN NOT FIGHT FOREST FIRES.
So please, quit smoking the weed you smoke and understand - Russians will never conquer Europe, their infrastructure is nearly absent, their economy is almost dead and their army is crap. They were winning in Ukraine only due to the fact that Ukrainian army was in even worse condition.
Should Obama sign the Ukraine Support Act already signed by the Congress - Ukrainian army would receive Javelins, which will make further Russian advance impossible and ultimately lead to peace in Ukraine.
Please stop smoking the weed you smoke and see some reason.
Your point about possible treason in Ukrainian army - unfortunately for me, I have to agree. There are too many Kremlin agents and provocateurs in Ukraine, so nobody cannot be sure that brand new American equipment will not be delivered straight to Russian headquarters. I understand why Obama is deeply considered, but something should be done.
If US do not hold their promise of protecting Ukraine - what would be the reason for trusting them or NATO? In that case any country that can develop nuclear weapon WILL develop or buy it. And that may lead to the very same World War you, poseidon39, are hoping to avoid by digging your head into the sand.
That is why the core point of my post was - and still remains - POLITICIANS SHOULD BE JUDGED UPON THEIR ACTIONS, NOT UPON THEIR PROMISES. Or speeches.
What did Hillary do to stop Putin? To help China fight it's air pollution? To calm down ayatollahs in Iran?
Nothing? What is she going to do if she is elected? Will she be able to do anything at all, at the very least?
US President should be responsible for much more than gay rights and immigration rules. And should be ready to face these challenges.
Time will show who was right. If you wish to have the final word in this conversation - so be it. I really will not spend any more time e-fighting with you.
