Google +1 button just went live

Holy shit you guys are stupid. Go +1 something without being being signed into Google. Oh right, you fucking can't.

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Its not about whether the +1 on your site is tied to your analytics account, its about whether a visitor on your site can +1 something without having and being signed into a Google account and whether that +1 reflects in their profile.

I'm done arguing tech on Wickedfire, way too many dipshits here.
 


Your argument is retarded.

You have to be signed into FB to "Like" a Fan Page.
You have to be signed into Reddit to Up or Down vote something.
You have to be signed into most news websites to leave a comment.
etc.
 
(O_o) said:
Your argument is retarded.

You have to be signed into FB to "Like" a Fan Page.
You have to be signed into Reddit to Up or Down vote something.
You have to be signed into most news websites to leave a comment.
etc.
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And my mom has a facebook account and is always signed into it but she isn't on Gmail. Now, I will never be able to see anything my mom "GoogleLikes" because she never will +1 anything, unlike the shit she "FacebookLikes". And thats why this will fail.

This is basically the digg button. Yea that did great against facebook didnt it.
 
lukep said:
4. Isn't just about pages, a la facebook. -You're going to see 20 +1s on a single page when you google from now on, including the ads down the side or even just someone's picture...
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Facebook likes aren't about just pages either, which is why I already see 20 likes on that mashable page, one for each post.
 
I must agree with conv3rsion.

What's up with all these companies trying so hard to get into other spaces (and inevitably failing)? Just get better at what you already do. Shit.

Edit: That was a free consultation, Google. Next time, I'm generating an invoice.
 
I doubt the numbers of users will be good, unless they get the world to get off Facebook's dick and let Google suck them off (well their information), then I might just be interested in implementing this.
 
kingofsp said:
I must agree with conv3rsion.

What's up with all these companies trying so hard to get into other spaces (and inevitably failing)? Just get better at what you already do. Shit.

Edit: That was a free consultation, Google. Next time, I'm generating an invoice.
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Interesting conversation. Won't be adding the button anytime soon until someone has a case study showing it gets use and actually helps. All of my pages/posts DO have Facebook Like and Twitter Boxen on them now though.

As for your consultation, this is all because Google sees the long term writing on the wall. When it comes to searching for information, people will trust what their facebook friends (and friends of friends) believe over what can be gamed in a search engine. Facebook will be the better place to get certain recommendations and reviews within a few years. Google's trying (and failing) to do something about that eventuality.
 
Love this article in FT about +1 today:

Financial Times said:
If Facebook’s key asset is its “social graph” – the web of its users’ personal connections – then Google has its own, implicit networks of relationships to mine. By tapping your most frequent Gmail connections, your list of friends on its Chat service and your phonebook on one of its Android devices, it has plenty of ways to divine your social relationships. It can supplement that by drawing on connections from services like Twitter.

Until now, Google’s main problem has been that it just hasn’t found anything very compelling to do with this information.

That’s where the “+1” voting system comes in. Smartly, it got a low-key launch (lessons learnt here from the debacle around Buzz, the rudimentary social networking service that attracted criticism last year over its handling of privacy). Websites will have good reasons to display the +1 buttons: votes will feed into Google’s search system and could help their rankings.
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Berto said:
As for your consultation, this is all because Google sees the long term writing on the wall. When it comes to searching for information, people will trust what their facebook friends (and friends of friends) believe over what can be gamed in a search engine. Facebook will be the better place to get certain recommendations and reviews within a few years. Google's trying (and failing) to do something about that eventuality.
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I just feel like Google is cemented in the minds of the masses as a tool you use to find shit. That's why it became a verb. And even some great-grandparents understand that Facebook is a place for personal profiles and social interaction. A place you go to network with friends and family. Not a place you go to find shit. Most people under the age of 40 know the difference between saying "Google me" and "Facebook me."

Both entities are so well-branded in their respective ways, it seems to me the amount of work necessary to reshape the public perception of each of their companies would be daunting, if it could actually be done (which I doubt).

Google cannot be Facebook, just like Facebook cannot be Twitter. And eBay cannot be Amazon. I really can't think of any online giants successfully re-branding and moving into a different space. Granted I haven't put a lot of thought into it.

Facebook could be MySpace, because they were branded similarly. Facebook just did a much better job of creating a usable website and gaining a respectable (compared to MySpace) reputation.

All of Google's attempts at anything social have failed.
 
kingofsp said:
Google cannot be Facebook, just like Facebook cannot be Twitter. And eBay cannot be Amazon. I really can't think of any online giants successfully re-branding and moving into a different space. Granted I haven't put a lot of thought into it.
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Don't know if this counts, but didn't Amazon used to only sell books? The main USP of Amazon was their distribution model. They were able to quickly ship things out to the customer. They realized they could take this to the next level and now sell and ship just about anything.

Google's USP is their search relevance. You can search for just about anything and usually find what you are looking for within the first few results. The challenge they are coming up against is that people are more likely to make a decision based on a friend (or actual person's) recommendation than they are from a search engine's recommendation.

Clearly, the +1 button is an attempt to get into this space. But, Google already has a few things that are more valuable.

1) Google Toolbar
2) Google Hotpot

I would love to see a "Google Hotpot" type system integrated into the search results. Instead of a stupid fucking +1, integrate FB connect into Hotpot and let people post reviews of sites, just like you can post reviews of Places.

The Google Toolbar should let you "add a review" of a specific page or site right from your browser, which would go right into the system. IE if you are on a thread on WF that is selling very high quality copy, you could "review" the page within the Google Toolbar, which would get added to a Google Hotpot type system. You could then share your review on FB/LinkedIn/Twitter.

This is a much more valuable (and functional) social feature that G could implement.
 
Magic Hat said:
I would love to see a "Google Hotpot" type system integrated into the search results. Instead of a stupid fucking +1, integrate FB connect into Hotpot and let people post reviews of sites, just like you can post reviews of Places.

The Google Toolbar should let you "add a review" of a specific page or site right from your browser, which would go right into the system. IE if you are on a thread on WF that is selling very high quality copy, you could "review" the page within the Google Toolbar, which would get added to a Google Hotpot type system. You could then share your review on FB/LinkedIn/Twitter.

This is a much more valuable (and functional) social feature that G could implement.
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I bet that is their backup plan if/when +1 fails to take hold.

On the subject of relevance, I just had an epiphany which leads me to believe +1 can't ever be as accepted as Likes...

When you 'Like' something, your facebook profile records it, and your FB profile is shared with people you tend to trust. -Ppl generally only have one FB profile and it's like an investment to them that they are always grooming.

Meanwhile, when you +1 something, your Google profile du jour records it. Nobody is putting much effort into any one google profile, and at any time you could be logged into 1 of any of your google accounts... Meaning that your results will be different in the Serps for each account you log on with.

Worse yet, most google accounts such as your gmail account will not be 'connected to' many people like your mother & best friend whom you trust. -Your work gmail address is likely to have a lot of Indian coders connected to it, in our example... So do you really want to get their advice in your serps?

Facebook Likes show what people who you TRUST like. Google +1s show what people who are 1 degree of seperation from you liked... Per g account you're logged into at the time.

Bottom line: No matter how popular the +1 badge is on pages across the web, people won't be clicking on it 1/10th as much as a Like button.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I have several friends on FB and even Gmail contacts whose product/website recommendations would mean next to nothing to me.
 
kingofsp said:
I don't know about you guys, but I have several friends on FB and even Gmail contacts whose product/website recommendations would mean next to nothing to me.
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QFT

In fact, I'd take it a step further and go out of my way to AVOID sites that some of my "friends" have recommended.
 
Well, in the case of social stuff like a viral video or something, then yeah, I notice everyone liking/commenting and usually check it out. And that's why the like system works so well for Facebook. But I don't give a shit where they are shopping, or which credit card they applied for or anything like that. People don't generally make commercial recommendations to their friends (unless they are spambots on Twitter).

But as far as Google, who really wants their search results influenced by what their social network thinks? Maybe if you're in high school that would make sense. You'd have to log out just to be able to research anything properly.

But maybe they're right. Maybe people are so incapable of making independent decisions that they need to be assured that they're making the same choices as their peers so they can feel like they fit in or something.
 
Why is the discussion focused on whether this is a good move for G.

Who cares if G goes to hell.

All I care about is getting $$ into my pockets and my customer's pockets.

So all I have to think about is how to abuse this. You should too, if you are serious about SEO and earning $$$
 
i think its better not to use the +1 button.... +1 means nothing to us... facebook like button is more interesting
 
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