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An update: So I read through a few books and have honestly learned A LOT. In my spare time I whipped up some quality content to throw on a couple websites and will start working on them soon.
In the meantime, I am going to continue reading a few books. Honestly, over 95% of questions I see in these newbie forums can be answered in a few easy reads, the rest is primarily based on testing/experimenting/learning.
But I still have one question for you more experienced vetarans:
How do you conduct A/B testing simultaneously on your website (as in how can you present two versions to different people in the same time)? What tools (paid or free) are best for comparing two versions of a site and seeing the best results?
Thanks.
In the meantime, I am going to continue reading a few books. Honestly, over 95% of questions I see in these newbie forums can be answered in a few easy reads, the rest is primarily based on testing/experimenting/learning.
But I still have one question for you more experienced vetarans:
How do you conduct A/B testing simultaneously on your website (as in how can you present two versions to different people in the same time)? What tools (paid or free) are best for comparing two versions of a site and seeing the best results?
Thanks.
What do you mean by content distribution? You mean producing content and distributing spun variations for backlinks etc?
~I noticed you're doing a lot of reading. Since you haven't actually launched a site (ignore the rest of this post if I'm wrong) I think you should stop reading and get something launched.
I say this because you don't have the experience to draw from to really beat home the concepts presented in the books. Having something in place already gives you the opportunity to have those "SHIT!!! I can totally try adding this in my lander/website/news letter tonight" moments.
I mean think about it.. if you don't have a landing page to optimize, what good is a landing page optimization book going to do you?
Just my 2 cents~
How do you conduct A/B testing simultaneously on your website (as in how can you present two versions to different people in the same time)? What tools (paid or free) are best for comparing two versions of a site and seeing the best results?
Google website optimizer.
I say this because you don't have the experience to draw from to really beat home the concepts presented in the books. Having something in place already gives you the opportunity to have those "SHIT!!! I can totally try adding this in my lander/website/news letter tonight" moments.
I mean think about it.. if you don't have a landing page to optimize, what good is a landing page optimization book going to do you?
Just my 2 cents~
How do you conduct A/B testing simultaneously on your website (as in how can you present two versions to different people in the same time)? What tools (paid or free) are best for comparing two versions of a site and seeing the best results?
Google website optimizer.
I understand that and am also aware that concrete learning (learning through examples) leads to significant gains, but here's my dilemma:
I currently have about 40 hours worth content for Site A and 5 hours worth of content for Site B. In order for Site A to launch I need to put in at least another 60 hours. Site B can be launched whenever I please (more of a blog oriented site), though concentrating my efforts on Site B would cause me to neglect Site A; whereas launching Site A right now would destroy optimal profitability.
Now, if I haven't lost you yet, I just feel that understanding Optimization, SEO, and basic Psychology will build a foundation for my site when it actually launches. Of course there are gonna be screwups along the way and it'll take longer for me to learn everything, but my profitability potential will remain at its peak. Feel free to point out any flaws in my thinking.
Dude cmon. What the hell are you talking about. 60 hrs. 21 hrs. 3 hrs. 4.345245 hrs. 7.239482094092834029348203840298340982 hrs. Who gives a shit man.
I saw that you said chapter one of your book was a "must read."
Honestly man, how the hell could you possible know that it's a "must read" without any experience? Did they say something you didn't know before? No shit sherlock....
Start with personal experience first. Don't line the pockets of all these e-book writers when you can learn all of that shit for free. Read these forums and find some good blogs out there. Learn from YOURSELF.
Seriously. Just get out there and do something. You're over thinking everything.
Also, Kenny Powers has tons of awesome quotes. I quoted him like 5 times at the bar earlier tonight. "I am fucking amazing" isn't even a god damn quote. So many quotable lines and you choose that....I don't understand.
Sell weed. You'll make more money.
I probably wouldn't have posted this under normal circumstances, but it had to be said, as I'm pretty shithammered. I'm as big a noob as you are, but at least I'm out here working and building sites. Good luck bro, I wish you nothing but the best......
I saw that you said chapter one of your book was a "must read."
Honestly man, how the hell could you possible know that it's a "must read" without any experience? Did they say something you didn't know before? No shit sherlock....
Start with personal experience first. Don't line the pockets of all these e-book writers when you can learn all of that shit for free. Read these forums and find some good blogs out there. Learn from YOURSELF.
Seriously. Just get out there and do something. You're over thinking everything.
Also, Kenny Powers has tons of awesome quotes. I quoted him like 5 times at the bar earlier tonight. "I am fucking amazing" isn't even a god damn quote. So many quotable lines and you choose that....I don't understand.
Sell weed. You'll make more money.
I probably wouldn't have posted this under normal circumstances, but it had to be said, as I'm pretty shithammered. I'm as big a noob as you are, but at least I'm out here working and building sites. Good luck bro, I wish you nothing but the best......
The only reason I would do that is if I wanted to easily organize everything in one place, but I wouldn't be able to drive traffic. Trust me, I'm new to affiliate marketing but I'm not an idiot.
Site A is a tutorial based site which gets you from point A to point B - by launching the site when it's only about 40% done, I'd be losing out on a shit ton of conversions from people that want to start halfway through or further; they would never be able to get to point B and would most likely choose to not come back.
Hey fuckhead, I've browsed through a lot of newbie questions and came to the realization that about half of all newbie questions could be answered in the first chapter. Your insistance that I go out and shuffle through thousands of posts is pure bullshit, and that's why I'll succeed: because I work harder and smarter than you.
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I'm sorry that I couldn't fit an actual quote in 20 characters. Feel free to throw in a better quote than "I am fucking amazing" or "Motherfucking fastball" and I'll gladly change it. In the meantime hopefully my signature will get you off.
I'm the man who has the ball. I'm the man who can throw it faster than fuck. So that is why i am better than everyone in the world. Kiss my ass and suck my dick... everyone.
I don't think you're an idiot, but there are different ways to look at things and since I make a good chunk of money from websites every day I thought I'd share my thoughts. It makes sense that you want the entire tutorial to be on there from the start so you don't lose conversions, but you could launch it now so that by the time it's all finished it's already been spidered and SEO'd to whatever extent you choose, then when you go for a full launch everything is ready to go and the basic groundwork for getting traffic has been laid.
Ultimately you'll judge it because it's your project, but if it were me I would build the site as I developed the content and I wouldn't worry about the visitors who encounter the incomplete site. There will be endless chances to drive traffic in the future. That's my perspective on it.
Stop hating, you dumb asshole..you think you're really cool don't you? haha :action-smiley-052:
Anyways, I'm still waiting for The Art of SEO to arrive..I'm reading up on HTML and PHP but I haven't even started working on a website yet, I guess it's time to start writing articles.
Good luck bro. I gave some awesome writing clients away to some ungrateful members here a month or so ago. I felt the same way you do. The cheapsters that buy articles are rarely willing to pay more for "English" over "Engrish" so you might as well use what you have to make yourself a buck -- rather than whoring yourself out for a few bucks.
I started an article directory and two other sites. I'm making close to $400 a month already with my sites (after expenses), which isn't balling, but by using my brain and not having any money to my name to start -- I've actually made it to this point with a few months of planning and implementation. Sure, I could have made four or five times that busting ass on writing for other people, but I would still be a slave to that line of work also.
Don't step back there unless you're broke man.
I started an article directory and two other sites. I'm making close to $400 a month already with my sites (after expenses), which isn't balling, but by using my brain and not having any money to my name to start -- I've actually made it to this point with a few months of planning and implementation. Sure, I could have made four or five times that busting ass on writing for other people, but I would still be a slave to that line of work also.
Don't step back there unless you're broke man.
Just a quick note about SEO and launching.
Dont get into the habit of mistaking an internet site with a physical biz. Sure opening bobs hat shop when all you have to sell is a rainbow beanie in XXL is a pretty shitty idea, but it just doesn't correlate with MOST web businesses.
For any site where the aim is to get people to leave the site, such as MFA, launch the site immediately, absolutely no harm at all. Some people will tell you that shitty sites have better CTR anyway, though i dont have a lot of exp. with adsense.
For a more long term, repeat visitor type business, there is still very little harm in uploading (not launching*) the site immediately.
The main reason is to gain search engine attention. It is well documented that older sites are less susceptible to SERP penalties from heavy promotion, get new content indexed quicker, plus a whole host of other benefits.
Plus just because its indexed, does not mean it will rank high enough to be noticed.
If you are really worried about the 3 people who stumble upon the uncompleted site via some obscure keyword, photoshop a big red [BETA] stamp over your logo and include an opening paragraph explaining the current status. Maybe even include an email collection form, offering to keep them updated on site status and ETA**
*uploading live content does not equal launching a site. Unless the niche is tiny, you are unlikely to get much in the way of human visitors by just uploading content and pinging Search Engines. Launching the site when ready involves alot more!
**For some niches, unofficially promoting an unfinished site with gold plated sales copy and an email form can pay off. Provided it is unique enough to get people talking, and vague enough not to be ripped off before you launch, it can get viral traffic and backlinks. Unlikely to be worth the time involved in most cases.
If after all that you are still unhappy to upload a live site before its finished, at the very least write an article describing the basics of the site, and publish that on the domain, single page, and ping. Then at least the domain can age.
Dont get into the habit of mistaking an internet site with a physical biz. Sure opening bobs hat shop when all you have to sell is a rainbow beanie in XXL is a pretty shitty idea, but it just doesn't correlate with MOST web businesses.
For any site where the aim is to get people to leave the site, such as MFA, launch the site immediately, absolutely no harm at all. Some people will tell you that shitty sites have better CTR anyway, though i dont have a lot of exp. with adsense.
For a more long term, repeat visitor type business, there is still very little harm in uploading (not launching*) the site immediately.
The main reason is to gain search engine attention. It is well documented that older sites are less susceptible to SERP penalties from heavy promotion, get new content indexed quicker, plus a whole host of other benefits.
Plus just because its indexed, does not mean it will rank high enough to be noticed.
If you are really worried about the 3 people who stumble upon the uncompleted site via some obscure keyword, photoshop a big red [BETA] stamp over your logo and include an opening paragraph explaining the current status. Maybe even include an email collection form, offering to keep them updated on site status and ETA**
*uploading live content does not equal launching a site. Unless the niche is tiny, you are unlikely to get much in the way of human visitors by just uploading content and pinging Search Engines. Launching the site when ready involves alot more!
**For some niches, unofficially promoting an unfinished site with gold plated sales copy and an email form can pay off. Provided it is unique enough to get people talking, and vague enough not to be ripped off before you launch, it can get viral traffic and backlinks. Unlikely to be worth the time involved in most cases.
If after all that you are still unhappy to upload a live site before its finished, at the very least write an article describing the basics of the site, and publish that on the domain, single page, and ping. Then at least the domain can age.
KennyPowers, I am sure you've had tonnes of experience marketing and promoting websites. But I'd like to throw in a few cents of my own if you don't mind.
1. Learn the art of setting the fuck up.
This is one of the major pains in the ass. I suffered terribly owing to this in the earlier stages of my e-life. I'd suggest you work your ass with wordpress, vbulletin, phpbb and any regular CMS as much as you can.
Once you know your way around them, you'd be incredibly surprise with the amount of time saved when you're actually working on a live project. It becomes more and more tedious when you're working on a website, you're halfway through and you need something done but have to Google it for 2 fucking hours straight.
2. Articles almost always work.
Writing and selling copy is one of my main businesses. So I can safely claim that I've worked tremendously with content. I see lots of copy produced daily and it is being put to use by some of the senior most marketers that I've known.
It's often the case that you can be a good commercial article writer, but face difficulty in writing for your own sites. This is because of lack of inspiration. In commercial content sales, we're used to seeing quick money - the client pays almost as soon as the article touches his inbox. However, this is not the case with our own websites. It may take weeks, sometimes months to even see the cash in our accounts.
In such cases, you need to step back and look at the bigger picture. You need to sit down and force yourself to write. I have made a deal with myself. For every 5 articles that me or my writers produce for our clients, 1 is written for my own network of websites. For the first one year, I thought this was going nowhere, but owning a network of content rich sites making anywhere between $2-$3 a day isn't that bad.
3. Automate (Bofu2U - I love you and it's because of you that I am a proud owner of Ubot - it's simply great)
Go over to Contempt.me - a site owned and published by Bofu2u - a member here. Read how he works with automation. You'd simply be amazed at the amount of time saved with softwares such a Ubot.
I cannot program for the life of me, but being in this business long enough has made me a keen analyst. And that's what helps me produce great uBot programs.
4. Get a Life
Please don't be offended by this. But I promise you that this is one of the more important advices given out here.
I know you want to work hard. But never give up your social life for this.
Your mind needs to maintain a social balance - make sure you maintain that balance.
If you continue spending more of your time in front of the computer, you'd ultimately face a webmaster's block - a situation where you've got hundreds of ideas in your head but are not sure on what you're supposed to be actually doing.
5. Last, GET STARTED
Getting started is more important than getting a life. I know many people who've practically spent hours in front of the computer - on forums - with ebooks. All they do is read, read and only read.
Now gaining a little knowledge isn't bad - but sleeping with your ebooks isn't a bright idea, to say the least.
As in case 4, you'd end up with a webmaster's block or keep on procrastinating your starting plans for the next day.
Finally, have a good one and all the best wishes with whatever you're about to start.
Regards
1. Learn the art of setting the fuck up.
This is one of the major pains in the ass. I suffered terribly owing to this in the earlier stages of my e-life. I'd suggest you work your ass with wordpress, vbulletin, phpbb and any regular CMS as much as you can.
Once you know your way around them, you'd be incredibly surprise with the amount of time saved when you're actually working on a live project. It becomes more and more tedious when you're working on a website, you're halfway through and you need something done but have to Google it for 2 fucking hours straight.
2. Articles almost always work.
Writing and selling copy is one of my main businesses. So I can safely claim that I've worked tremendously with content. I see lots of copy produced daily and it is being put to use by some of the senior most marketers that I've known.
It's often the case that you can be a good commercial article writer, but face difficulty in writing for your own sites. This is because of lack of inspiration. In commercial content sales, we're used to seeing quick money - the client pays almost as soon as the article touches his inbox. However, this is not the case with our own websites. It may take weeks, sometimes months to even see the cash in our accounts.
In such cases, you need to step back and look at the bigger picture. You need to sit down and force yourself to write. I have made a deal with myself. For every 5 articles that me or my writers produce for our clients, 1 is written for my own network of websites. For the first one year, I thought this was going nowhere, but owning a network of content rich sites making anywhere between $2-$3 a day isn't that bad.
3. Automate (Bofu2U - I love you and it's because of you that I am a proud owner of Ubot - it's simply great)
Go over to Contempt.me - a site owned and published by Bofu2u - a member here. Read how he works with automation. You'd simply be amazed at the amount of time saved with softwares such a Ubot.
I cannot program for the life of me, but being in this business long enough has made me a keen analyst. And that's what helps me produce great uBot programs.
4. Get a Life
Please don't be offended by this. But I promise you that this is one of the more important advices given out here.
I know you want to work hard. But never give up your social life for this.
Your mind needs to maintain a social balance - make sure you maintain that balance.
If you continue spending more of your time in front of the computer, you'd ultimately face a webmaster's block - a situation where you've got hundreds of ideas in your head but are not sure on what you're supposed to be actually doing.
5. Last, GET STARTED
Getting started is more important than getting a life. I know many people who've practically spent hours in front of the computer - on forums - with ebooks. All they do is read, read and only read.
Now gaining a little knowledge isn't bad - but sleeping with your ebooks isn't a bright idea, to say the least.
As in case 4, you'd end up with a webmaster's block or keep on procrastinating your starting plans for the next day.
Finally, have a good one and all the best wishes with whatever you're about to start.
Regards
