There really is no alternative and there really is no solution.
Religious fundamentalism is being phased out - in 100 years nobody is going to give a shit.
Are you retarded?
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There really is no alternative and there really is no solution.
Religious fundamentalism is being phased out - in 100 years nobody is going to give a shit.
Are you retarded?
What an appalling misunderstandings of the basics of human nature and the world around you.
Unsurprising, seeing as it is one of the fundamentals of far-left thought, but still appalling.
But I won't be here to enjoy it in 100 years, so I'm going to do my part to stomp it out sooner, and hopefully my kids won't have to deal with that shit.
The problem is you can't spread freedom with force or at the tip of a sword.
Spreading freedom is like dancing at a party. The more people do it the easier it is for everyone to accept it and take part. And in the end it just comes naturally anyway.
Good luck bros
Oh yeah, the theocratic regime of Iran, Muqtada Al Sadr in Iraq, and Taliban of Afghanistan and Pakistan are all over that. Religious fanatacism is the only thing keeping them in power, how do you see it "being phased out"?
You can, it's happening in Iraq and Palestine as we speak.
Some countries don't need it, but countries like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Pakistan, probably do.
It's a process. In 100 years, he said. Just compare judeo-christian to Christianity 100 years ago.
Those crusty old motherfuckers aren't going to live forever - the democratic youth of Iran went nuts last year, do you remember that? How long do you think they'll be oppressed?
These groups breed off fear and stupidity. The world is getting smarter.
Call me an optimist - I have high hopes.
I was saying that religious fundamentalism will still here in 100 years. In part, yes, because you cant spread freedom at the tip of the sword.
But its a different argument. You think that Western rationalism somehow extinguishes religious fundamentalism. But it doesn't. People easily live in the duality - go to university and study highest education and still believe in the highest authority of Allah or God and creationism and restoring the Caliphate etc.
You do know that many if not most of the West's own Jihadists have University education? Many have studied engineering, medicine, law. Look at the numbers of women wearing hijab on campus, or religious men with beards, or Christian fundamentalists campaigning against teaching evolution.
Your assertion that religious fundamentalism will fade away is absurd.
People will be flying around in space and using time machine, and somewhere someone will step out of said time machine/spaceship and yell Allahu Akbhar and behead some poor alien who's never even heard of Aisha.
Freedom is being spread by the sword in Iraq? By which side?
Whats being spread by Iraq is Iranian Shia fundamentalism - their goal is establishing the Shia crescent and kicking ass on the Sunni. Freedom is being destroyed in Iraq. I mean, they got democracy... but thats the thing. The democracy is firstly enabling the fundamentalist and secondly, the removal of the tyranny of the Baathist has enabled the Islamists that the Baathists held down. Women so far have lost their freedoms, been killed for it. Christians have not fared much better. Neither has science - the educated fled or where slaughtered.
As for Palestine.. I am not even sure what you think is happening there.. The Palestinians won't get freedom from Israel, Israel is continuing with regular policy - integrate the West bank and pretend Gaza doesn't exist, unless they get violent - then short sharp jab and onward. They have no need to move - Fatah and Hamas are each others throats, Palestianians divided, Israel wins.
As for Gaza - Hamas is far more Islamists then Fatah and Hamas has won. Even more fundamentalist Salafists are gaining ground against them.
The arab world has seen 3 waves - Nasser's Pan-Arabism - this includes Fatah, PLO, the Baathists, Amal in Lebanon. This movement as left-wing secular, supported by the USSR. Their time ended.
The next wave was the Muslim Brotherhood Sunnis - like Hamas - pan-Islamists and the other Muslims Brotherhoods in Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
They are having their time in the spotlight.
The next movement is the Salafist Al-Qaeda related movements - the Salafi-Jihadists. They are more fundamentalist still and draw more from the extreme Wahabbi and Deobandi sects, and Al Qutb's call for the rejuvenation of Jihad as the 6th pillar of Islam.
That shit is not moving towards freedom, yo.
ah.. no. they may need.. but noone has the power the wield a sword big enough.
look, I'll give it a thousand
Theocratic regimes depend on their subjects staying uneducated, and violently ensure that they stay that way.
Taliban Destroy Girls' Education, Pakistan Is Powerless
Reuters AlertNet - The Taliban's war on women's education
I guess keeping quiet and appeasing religious extremists in hopes that something will change in 100 years is one way to go about it. I don't know if I would call that optimism however.
you don't understand that these youths are a tiny minority in Iran. Most Iranians are deeply religious. All the opposition against Ahmadinejad was led by Clerics. The protests were not against religious, but against his silly policies.
the assertion that Iranians yearn for Western freedoms was a massive fallacy perpetuated by misguided Western media.
The opposition was mostly just as Islamist as the government, save a tiny minority, despite what the twittering may have implied. fundamentalism is not going anywhere in Iran any time soon. The government is safely in power. THe ayatollahs are safe in their power.
If anything they are exporting their fundamentalism all over the place- Lenanon, Palestine, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Lybia, shit even Venezuela.
although that is also a good point - it helps, as I've stated above - the educated are quite capable of being ultra-conservative and deeply religious to the point of fanaticism.
The 2 'educations' can easily happen in parallel.
One can learn all the science in the world. But in the hands of a skilled brainwasher/indoctrinator/manipulator that same person will lap up the most irrational of ideas - because it works on an EMOTIONAL level not on a rational. and Islam is one of the most efficient and powerful systems of indoctrinations I've ever seen. better then most cults.
As long as the human range of EMOTIONS stays the same and we remain as PROGRAMMABLE as we are now, no amount of Western 'rationality', intelligence, science or whatever leftard save-the-world happy claptrap is supposed to debunk it, is going to save humanity from supernatural belief and everything that follows with it.
This is why. We look at Europe. Were the liberal educated ELITES think just like Andrew here. And invite fundamentalists into their midst in the millions.
Not realizing that its not so much that those with the TRUER idea win. Its more those with the CONVICTION and STRENGTH of their belief that do. Moral and other kind of relativisms are powerless in the face of true fanatical fundamentalisms. Because when everything is so relative and pointless.. why even bother fighting?
Only those with the strength of their own convictions in the ideas of the Enlightenment and rationality and pillars of Western civilization like liberty, freedom of speech and democracy can take on the fundamentalists - and only in the battle of the ideas.
But you must have the conviction and will to fight in the first place. So even these immature and meager attempts like this draw Muhammed day are welcome - at least someone is showing some backbone and standing up for their beliefs.
Next get real about it and support the real fighters like Hirsi Ali, ibn Warraq etc.
Christianity hasn't changed much at all in the last 100 years. Membership may have changed somewhat, fewer Catholics/ more Evangelicals, but that's about it. What's the "process"? In the middle east currently old fundamentalists are in power and young fundamentalists see that they can take of the reins of power by perpetuating religious fundamentalism. Muqtada al-Sadr is only 36 years old, does that sound like a "crusty old motherfucker" that Andrew thinks wont be around much longer?
Christianity hasn't changed much at all in the last 100 years. Membership may have changed somewhat, fewer Catholics/ more Evangelicals, but that's about it. What's the "process"? In the middle east currently old fundamentalists are in power and young fundamentalists see that they can take of the reins of power by perpetuating religious fundamentalism. Muqtada al-Sadr is only 36 years old, does that sound like a "crusty old motherfucker" that Andrew thinks wont be around much longer?
Hasn't changed much? U high?
Christianity 300 years ago is Islam now. 300 years ago there were more Christians that share the same sentiments as the Westboro Baptism Church of God Hate Fags foundation. (example)
Over time, Islam will turn into what Christianity has become now and the old fucks such as Muqtada al-Sadr will die.
The only Islamic country that will be left is Saudi and that one will perish as soon as they run out of oil so good luck to the messiah if he'll ever descend. :action-smiley-052:
or maybe there'll be a new religion that'll fly planes into Ka'ba in Mecca. I've always wondered what's inside that big black box. Hopefully it's not some old school lolicon statue.
The US? I thought you guys are over there to liberate the people, after failing at finding WMD's. Right?
What are you saying? The democracy that US brought has made them more religious? Can I have reference please?
I was talking about Israel invading Palestine as spreading democracy by the sword.
I honestly don't think their campaign will be a success, they have very bad LP and not enough hype, our only threat right now is Iran coz of their nuclear capability but don't worry, Israel will get to them after they invaded Palestine.
Go USA! I love Jews.
ah.. no. they may need.. but noone has the power the wield a sword big enough.
look, I'll give it a thousand[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the religion itself or the people practicing it and how it is practiced? Sure, the bible hasn't changed much. But the people following it has. People are much less religious today than 100 years ago. More and more churches around the world allow women and homosexuals to become priests and many churches now support abortion.
And membership has not changed "somewhat". Memebership has drastically decreased. Especially in Europe. In many european countries atheists now outnumber christians. The same will happen in the US in a few decades. And eventually, muslims will do the same. 100 years might be somewhat optimistic. But remember that almost everyone was a christian in the nordic countries 100 years ago. How many are christians now? 15-20%...