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nickycakes said:
It is the theory with the most evidence supporting it.
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That's pretty shaky.

nickycakes said:
Do you have problems with everything that is a theory?
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I don't have a problem with theories, but I don't confuse them with facts.

nickycakes said:
Things like gravity?
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Isn't gravity a law?

nickycakes said:
Ron Paul believes the world is like 6000 years old and that satan placed the dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith.
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I don't recall him ever saying this. Can you source it please?

nickycakes said:
Is that what you believe? If so, you're a loon, just like ron paul.
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I believe that atheists are just as lulz-worthy as theists, and many times more annoying.
 


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guerilla said:
That's pretty shaky.
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It is? Is there a theory with more evidence? (rhetorical question)

I don't have a problem with theories, but I don't confuse them with facts.

Isn't gravity a law?
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In the scope of this conversation, theory and law are interchangeable. Both have room to be disproven with evidence, and neither are fact. That's how science works. Evolution is the theory with the most evidence supporting it. In fact, I don't know of any other theory with ANY evidence supporting it.


I don't recall him ever saying this. Can you source it please?
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That's what evangelical christians who don't believe in evolution believe.


I believe that atheists are just as lulz-worthy as theists, and many times more annoying.
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I agree, but what does that have to do with this?
 
guerilla said:
Isn't gravity a law?
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No. It's a theory. It's treated as a law in basic Newtonian physics, but is hardly close to a law or postulate in reality. The actual cause of gravity still isn't defined. Is it graviton particles, is it creases in spacetime due to supermassive objects, etc etc. General Relativity debased our idea that gravity is a law, and Quantum Mechanics unseated it even more
 
I am going to get a stroke if I keep reading this fucking thread. Guerilla you need to pick up a basic 8th grade biology/geology book. Anybody that thinks modern scientific theories are as "shaky" as a centuries old book written by a bunch of deranged lunatics is simply delusional. You may need clarification:

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.
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nickycakes said:
It is? Is there a theory with more evidence? (rhetorical question)
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What is the evidence?

nickycakes said:
In the scope of this conversation, theory and law are interchangeable. Both have room to be disproven with evidence, and neither are fact. That's how science works. Evolution is the theory with the most evidence supporting it. In fact, I don't know of any other theory with ANY evidence supporting it.
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So you're saying, you have a theory that isn't a proven fact, and you claim that the theists have a theory which is also not proven fact.

INTREDASTING.

nickycakes said:
That's what evangelical christians who don't believe in evolution believe.
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I'll ask again, can you source Ron Paul's beliefs on evolution or the creation of the earth? If you can't source him, then wtf are you making claims about his belief system for? Telepathic?
 
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We need a theory on how a thread about this sad video can Devolve into a thread about Evolution...

Nicky: You're reaching. Paul is a Christian, but a sane one.
 
pewep said:
I am going to get a stroke if I keep reading this fucking thread.
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Don't die bro. You're one of the few people here who keep me reading.

pewep said:
Guerilla you need to pick up a basic 8th grade biology/geology book.
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Yes, I suppose reading a book based around evolution would mean I should accept evolution. Sort of like if I only read the bible, I might only believe that.

If you were born in the Middle East, you'd be a Muslim bro. Understanding is relative, not absolute.

pewep said:
Anybody that thinks modern scientific theories are as "shaky" as a centuries old book written by a bunch of deranged lunatics is simply delusional.
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I never claimed anything about the bible. I am not a theist.

I think it is equally shaky for Nicky to take an unproven theory and assert it's superiority over something that is also unproven. It's hypocritical, and frankly, fucking lazy intellectually (like your plan for me to read about evolution when all you probably know about evolution is what you've been told, because you weren't fucking there when it happened!)
 
guerilla said:
What is the evidence?
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pick up an 8th grade science 101 book. you've got a lot of catching up to do.

guerilla said:
So you're saying, you have a theory that isn't a proven fact, and you claim that the theists have a theory which is also not proven fact.
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You definitely don't understand the difference between laws, theories, and "facts" (which aren't even used in scientific nomenclature to describe any natural phenomena). Again, pick up a very basic science book to begin familiarizing yourself with the scientific method.
guerilla said:
I'll ask again, can you source Ron Paul's beliefs on evolution or the creation of the earth? If you can't source him, then wtf are you making claims about his belief system for? Telepathic?
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw]Ron Paul: I don't believe in evolution - YouTube[/ame]
He states the obvious that it is a theory (one of the most solid ones in science period) and staes he doesn't believe in it.
 
guerilla said:
So you're saying, you have a theory that isn't a proven fact, and you claim that the theists have a theory which is also not proven fact.
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This is not a theist vs. atheist argument. A small, retarded group of theists have a belief that is not based on science. That does not mean atheists have a monopoly on the theory of evolution.

I think it is equally shaky for Nicky to take an unproven theory and assert it's superiority over something that is also unproven. It's hypocritical, and frankly, fucking lazy intellectually (like your plan for me to read about evolution when all you probably know about evolution is what you've been told, because you weren't fucking there when it happened!)
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Gravity is an equally unproven theory. Are we to believe that a god is holding us down on the earth?
 
More idiocy:
Political positions of Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paul believes that prayer in public schools should not be prohibited at the federal or state level....He argues that churches give people a moral base that government cannot provide. He views churches as more effective and more established providers of social welfare than the government. He also argues this leads to a more orderly people who have less need for the government to actively seek to control them. He opposes efforts to force religion out of the public sphere.[93]
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Is there an inference here that all of our problems would be solved if only we could elect a president who believed that human beings were the ultimate power in the universe?

I'm totally unconvinced that a belief in a higher power degrades an individual's ability to govern, provided they do not service that belief through legislation.

One of the positive characteristics commonly found in theists (and almost never found in intellectual liberals) is the ability to admit that they may not be the ultimate authority on a subject, and to defer to the unknown and unknowable.

Personally, if I have to have "leaders", I'd prefer them to be able to accept that some things are beyond human comprehension, because like it or not, not everything can be quantified or understood at the moment.
 
Comparing the theory of evoloution to a bunch of people holding hands and stomping their feet together is a flat out insult.
 
IceToEskimos said:
Is there an inference here that all of our problems would be solved if only we could elect a president who believed that human beings were the ultimate power in the universe?

I'm totally unconvinced that a belief in a higher power degrades an individual's ability to govern, provided they do not service that belief through legislation.

One of the positive characteristics commonly found in theists (and almost never found in intellectual liberals) is the ability to admit that they may not be the ultimate authority on a subject, and to defer to the unknown and unknowable.
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There is no such inference. The inference is that ron paul is a crazy nutjob for not believing in evolution.
 
Sorry for being rude earlier. I was born an atheist (I can fully say that, I've never once believed in Christiany or any other religion). I went to Catholic and Mormon school and suffered through that for 18 years. I guess I have a bug up my ass when it comes to religious debates.
 
pewep said:
pick up an 8th grade science 101 book. you've got a lot of catching up to do.
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*YAWN*

pewep said:
You definitely don't understand the difference between laws, theories, and "facts" (which aren't even used in scientific nomenclature to describe any natural phenomena).
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*YAWN*

pewep said:
Again, pick up a very basic science book to begin familiarizing yourself with the scientific method.
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LOL. Please tell me what the scientific method has to do with this discussion at all. Please, I am begging you.

pewep said:
He states the obvious that it is a theory (one of the most solid ones in science period) and staes he doesn't believe in it.
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Ok. Nice. I don't believe in it either.
 
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