Does a State Have a Right to Secede from the United States?

guerilla said:
(Statistically, that is true. Judges tend to make different choices earlier in the day than later in the day. You never want to go to court in the afternoon, they are generally less sympathetic.)
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If you have any reading on this stat, I'd love to see it. It makes sense to me - judges, in my experience, want to work as little as possible and go home as early as possible. You're just getting in the way by having an afternoon hearing. In many cases the time of the hearing is totally out of your hands though so you do the best with what you get...
 


MediaBuysEyez said:
If you have any reading on this stat, I'd love to see it. It makes sense to me - judges, in my experience, want to work as little as possible and go home as early as possible. You're just getting in the way by having an afternoon hearing. In many cases the time of the hearing is totally out of your hands though so you do the best with what you get...
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There is mention of a study on it in the book "Willpower" by Tierney and Baumeister iirc.
 
Yeah, why the fuck not? When a federal government doesnt care for its own people, states start to get pissed and implement their own laws. The federal government MUST take care of its states/tribes; as said within the constitution:

"Article IV, Section 4, obligates the national government to protect the states against foreign invasion and against domestic insurrection. Protecting the states protects the nation itself from being parceled and threatened."

This is exactly why Arizona took a step forward on immigration. The communist multiculturalist bastard obama has an open border ideology. He doesn't care to protect its nation. IMO all states have the right to secede given they cannot protect their own people.
 
Two quick thoughts:

1. Secession of the individual from a larger body is an extrapolation of the secession of a state (to piggyback on guerilla's earlier point).

2. If you're running to become POTUS, you don't seat Justices who believe in secession. Talk about setting yourself up for failure. lol


At UG: great thread for thought-provoking discussion. :)
 
MediaBuysEyez said:
If you have any reading on this stat, I'd love to see it. It makes sense to me - judges, in my experience, want to work as little as possible and go home as early as possible. You're just getting in the way by having an afternoon hearing. In many cases the time of the hearing is totally out of your hands though so you do the best with what you get...
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Based on personal observation (which I admit is slim compared to some people) I'd have to agree with him. I've seen judges be so so during morning court then turn into complete assholes after lunch. One judge here in LV (I wont say names) actually went off on several people using profanity. I had never seen a judge use language like that in a court root before. One statement was along the lines of "You're his lawyer you need to pull your head out of your ass".

What's even worse is when you get a court reporter that either doesn't care about job or is tired / hungry. They can make your life hell, by simply entering the wrong thing into their computer. Then when you try to point out it's wrong you get the excuse "Computers don't make mistakes!". That's one hell of a mess to clean up if you even can. Take for instance a criminal case. It only takes a fat finger to make a 1 month sentence a 2 month, normal time flat time, or a much larger fine than was actually handed down. Yes, I've actually seen that happen to people.

What else stinks is the technologically inept judges and lawyers. One case I saw was where one person was accused of raping someone they were related too. The person admitted via facebook PMs they we're lying, but no one would have known that unless I had told them to actually get that information from facebook. They (the lawyers) didn't even know they could. They also didn't know text messages are actually stored by the cell phone companies and that information is available to them in cases like that. In some instances you can even get what towers the cell phone was connecting to during time periods (which can help prove someones innocence). It's sad to think that an innocent man would have ended up in High Dessert, because of some spoiled kid.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I've been a technical advisor to several.
 
I'm pretty sure Texas can if it wants to. I'm not going to lie and pretend this is my area of expertise, but that was something I was always taught along with being the only state that can fly its flag the same height as the US flag etc.

I've also heard this is untrue and bull shit, so I have no idea.
 
Dresden14 said:
This is exactly why Arizona took a step forward on immigration. The communist multiculturalist bastard obama has an open border ideology. He doesn't care to protect its nation. IMO all states have the right to secede given they cannot protect their own people.
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No state in the US is seceding. Take South Carolina. Guess what would happen if SC one day said they're now a sovereign nation?

First, we'd just be bombarded by propaganda 24x7 while they air all of SC's dirty laundry to the world. Then they'd be slowly labeled as traitors, bandits, insurgents, threat to national security, etc. Sanctions begin, which slowly deteriorate SC from the inside out. Maybe throw in some freedom fighters, and a few CIA agents to lob some grenades around, and snipe a few people. Chaos and panic is always good for these situations.

Then once sufficiently plausible that SC can't take care of itself, the propaganda machine kicks it into high gear. This is when the military is called in, so the almighty empire can save the poor, impoverished people of SC. Before long, they're back in the union. :)

Quebec has a better shot at seceding from Canada, than any state in the US does.
 
Secession in the United States can refer to secession of a state from the United States, secession of part of a state from that state to form a new state, or secession of an area from a city or county.
Attempts at or aspirations of secession from the United States have been a feature of the country's politics since its birth. Some have argued for a constitutional right of secession and others for a natural right of revolution. The United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.












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