Doctors & Country forcing parents to kill their baby (Canada)
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I'm not siding with the childs parents. But the parents want the baby to stay alive as long as possible, maybe in hopes that it's fate may change. They know the baby's suffering, but they're not ready to let go. I agree they should pull the plug, but what parent would really want to give up that easily?
And if the baby is in a vegetative state, doesn't that mean that it can't feel anything either? Or does it just mean it's hurr-durr?
And if the baby is in a vegetative state, doesn't that mean that it can't feel anything either? Or does it just mean it's hurr-durr?
The parents already had a daughter who died of a similar condition.
They realize that their son is terminal. They just want the tracheotomy done so he can breath on his own. They then want to take him home and be with him until he passes.
The father also talks about conflicting statements from the Doctors. For example, in court documents Doctors said the baby had no feeling, and used this as a reason to "pull the plug". However, the reason they give for not wanting to do the tracheotomy is that it would be more pain to the baby. Well, it can't be both.
The father also stated "Where's the human rights in Canada", and that he feels like he's in jail when visiting his son...as they have security always watching, he can't be alone with his son.
I've heard multiple Doctors state that this would never happen in the US (at least not right now - who knows what Obama care might bring).
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kill old baby
have sex
wait 9 months (or adopt)
have new baby
problem solved + save $ and feelings
have sex
wait 9 months (or adopt)
have new baby
problem solved + save $ and feelings
Read my above post. The parents at any time could've got the treatment they wanted for their child but waited too long and didn't properly use the medical system.
And of course a private hospital will take the baby. Hundreds of hospitals readily would if there's payment. That's not the issue. The issue is the parents want to use tax-payer money to transport the child to Michigan instead of footing the bill and refused to act otherwise.
Every year I donate to the IWK Halifax which is a fantastic Children's hospital here in Canada that runs primarily on private funding. I was treated there as a child when I got sick on vacation. There is a wing for terminally ill children that live out there lives in the ways they want to. The Make a Wish Foundation is a co-sponsor of that wing and together they help children who have 0% chance of survival live out their lives the way they, and their parents, want to.
This means staying in the wing for more treatment, going home and having a nurse, you name it. Within a heartbeat this baby would've been airlifted to Halifax completely tax payer funded (since we're within Canada) and had the opportunity to pro-long her life assuming not all the doctors morally objected to it (as any doctor has the right to here).
There were many, many options for this situation. Canada has 40 million people and tens of thousands of terminally ill children no different than this one. It makes me sick that this be-littles the lives of so many and the hard work thousands of doctors, nurses and paramedics put into prolonging and making the lives of these terminally ill children, who have no hope, a little bit better.
I don't agree with the public system on a fundamental level but when it comes to those terminally ill, especially small children, every resource and penny possible is allocated to their benefit. This is a case of massive parental neglect and if I lived in Windsor I'd personally go and give the father a vasectomy for his recklessness and the money he'll undoubtedly make as a result of this press.
And of course Fox will put whatever spin best suits their interests at the moment on any given story.
idk i'm still stuck in the middle but leaning towards the doctors on this one. I obviously don't agree with them not allowing them to see the kid but the doctors are bound to their hippocratic oath (do no harm) and they tend to take it just as seriously as parents take their kids. If the doctors feel the tracheotomy will prolong and cause a more painful death for the kid then its their right not to do it. Same thing with performing a move on the child to the parents home or another hospital. I understand both sides and knowing how crazy and irrational a lot of parents are I have to lean to the doctors.
Now thats what I call a sticky situation.
Now thats what I call a sticky situation.
Wait a minute. Didn't you just demand a tracheotomy on a dieing kid?
These people are nuts. They selfishly want their child to die in their own home, rather than in a hospital. They are prepared to put the baby through a painful operation and pointless operation for no reason other than to change the location of the death of the child. The child doesn't know the difference between the hospital and their home, it's purely for their own gratification.
It makes me sick how stupid and selfish some people can be, and I fail to understand how anyone could defend them. It's even more mystifying how anyone could defend them.
It makes me sick how stupid and selfish some people can be, and I fail to understand how anyone could defend them. It's even more mystifying how anyone could defend them.
In the US they would never deny a parent's rights to govern how their child is cared for... oh wait.
The name Terri Schiavo ring a bell? There have been many other cases where hospitals have refused to administer medical care to terminally ill children in the US.
There are laws in some US states, I know Texas specifically, that allow a hospital to remove life support from a dying child against parent's wishes with notice (10 days in Texas' case).
Depending on what type of insurance you carry, you can and will be refused lots of different medical procedures in the US.
So, while the system Canadian medical system certainly isn't perfect, don't try to paint the US medical system as such.
It's fairly common to send patients by ambulance from Canada to the US for emergency treatment that can't be immediately or as adequately performed in Canada.
This. My wife works in a hospital in Metro Detroit and they get patients from Canadia all the time. Not sure where I stand on the issue though, I would normally side with the parents wishes, being a parent myself. That's a lot of money for taxpayers to foot though for a child that's terminal.
Father needs a vasectomy though for fucks sake.
if the parents are passing on genetic disorders (i.e. had a previous daughter die similarly), should the government pay for them to continually reproduce (prenatal care, birth costs, etc)
I was talking a few weeks ago with a provincial cabinet minister and he's the one who explained some of the complexities about this case to me and told me how ridiculous it was to suggest anyone could cross borders, tax payer funded, to seek treatment.
He's an energy minister so could just not really know what he's talking about or could also be a provincial issue and differs from province to province.