Do you fight?



If anyone ever has the chance to learn Silat, then I'd suggest you take that. Silat was formed in the 1600's by Indonesians. It isn't so much about fighting as it is survival. Most of the moves aren't designed to get away, they're designed to maximize damage to your adversary, and in most cases execute damage to various pressure points...death.

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That looks pretty damned cool. Never heard of it till now. Not that I'm a fighter or follow this kind of thing. But that looks pretty brutal. Is it new to the US?
 
I invest all my training time and energy into Bagua and Tai-chi mixed with some external kung-fu. BJJ is good, IF it goes to the ground AND you are one on one, otherwise it's terribly dangerous.

Living in Asia for the last 4 years has really opened my eyes to what real self defense needs to be effective. The 'honor system' of fighting one on one does not exist here. The fight doesn't end when the poor sap hits the ground, they just all gather around and beat on him until he is dead or they get bored. There are no rules in a life and death struggle, only survivors and fatalities. Choose a lineage and system that has proven itself for hundreds if not thousands of years.


1. Footwork - You need wheels, especially against multiple attackers. Nothing comes close to matching Bagua.

2. Weapons/Power - You need to be able to end it with one or two blows. You need a variety of techniques for all possible angles, positions and distances. Many 'arts' are limited to an optimum distance to be effective.

3. Distance and Timing - Without mastering these two, even a baseball bat is a worthless weapon. --->Tons of sparring practice/push hands

4. Ground fighting - You need to be able to fight from the ground. If your ground fighting doesn't teach you how to regain your feet or defend from the ground against multiple attackers it's use will be very limited.

5. Conditioning/Iron Shirt - You need to be able to take blows. 5-15 punks jumping you or a mass riot situation and you will inevitably take a few blows.

Forget the instant badass shit, it takes time and effort to make progress. You should also forget any 'art' that is competitive. Scoring points in a match and true self defense are not the same thing.
 
Come on guys!

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I fought in an amateur MMA show in 2001. I've been training BJJ off and on since I graduated high school in 2000. I will say this, the more you focus on fighting and training the more likely you will find yourself in a situation to use it, because it's all you think about. I have absolutely no need to prove anything to anyone anymore and I find the BJJ/MMA crowd kinda sleazy now. It isn't the same thing it was in the late nineties.
 
I invest all my training time and energy into Bagua and Tai-chi mixed with some external kung-fu. BJJ is good, IF it goes to the ground AND you are one on one, otherwise it's terribly dangerous.

Living in Asia for the last 4 years has really opened my eyes to what real self defense needs to be effective. The 'honor system' of fighting one on one does not exist here. The fight doesn't end when the poor sap hits the ground, they just all gather around and beat on him until he is dead or they get bored. There are no rules in a life and death struggle, only survivors and fatalities. Choose a lineage and system that has proven itself for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Ok some of your post made sense, but it seems like you're approaching traditional martial art la-la land so I figured I'd take issue with a few points here.

Firstly, there is no honor system of fighting anywhere. So I seriously doubt that Asia is more badass then say Thailand, US, or Brazil. It sure as shit isn't as dangerous as Israel.

As for "Choose a lineage that has proven itself for hundreds if not thousands of years". Please. Most of the traditional arts have been watered down into forms and dances used mainly for meditating or theater. And don't even try to tell me that Tai-Chi has useful fighting applications.

1. Footwork - You need wheels, especially against multiple attackers. Nothing comes close to matching Bagua.

Western boxing has some of the most practical footwork out there for actual fighting.

4. Ground fighting - You need to be able to fight from the ground. If your ground fighting doesn't teach you how to regain your feet or defend from the ground against multiple attackers it's use will be very limited.

I assume you're not talking about Bagua (or any other Kung Fu) here?

5. Conditioning/Iron Shirt - You need to be able to take blows. 5-15 punks jumping you or a mass riot situation and you will inevitably take a few blows.

Please explain to me how any Kung Fu art is better at conditioning you to take blows than actually getting hit every day in say Boxing, Muay Thai, or MMA?

I'm pretty interested in what "Iron Shirt" is going to be.

Forget the instant badass shit, it takes time and effort to make progress. You should also forget any 'art' that is competitive. Scoring points in a match and true self defense are not the same thing.

Yes because walking in a circle and flailing your arms about all day is far more effective for self defense training than actually putting on sparring gear and going after someone that is trying to hit you back.

I hope I wasn't too sarcastic or snippy here. You're probably not one of the "I-can't-spar-or-I-would-hurt-you" people that have brainwashed themselves into thinking they are trained in an ancient form of death dealing.

I just don't think that Baqua or any other kind of kung fu is a viable form of self defense these days.

Didn't the original UFC teach us anything? Please keep in mind that there were mostly no rules back then.


BTW my Wing Chun instructor dabbled in Bagua so I know a little about it. Never liked it. This probably isn't the best video, but here it is in case anyone is curious.

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This guy wears an "iron shirt", I'm sure

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^ LOL I love how the actual fight devolves into a head-back-and-eyes-closed slugfest. So awesome though.

OK so I'm sorry I ever doubted Bagua. I would never want to run into the whirling dervish of pain that is this guy.

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This guy wears an "iron shirt", I'm sure

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

After all that display, they ended up looking like:

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^ LOL I love how the actual fight devolves into a head-back-and-eyes-closed slugfest. So awesome though.

OK so I'm sorry I ever doubted Bagua. I would never want to run into the whirling dervish of pain that is this guy.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

Dude moved FAST! I couldn't tell where his face started and ass ended!
 
Ok some of your post made sense, but it seems like you're approaching traditional martial art la-la land so I figured I'd take issue with a few points here.

Firstly, there is no honor system of fighting anywhere. So I seriously doubt that Asia is more badass then say Thailand, US, or Brazil. It sure as shit isn't as dangerous as Israel.

As for "Choose a lineage that has proven itself for hundreds if not thousands of years". Please. Most of the traditional arts have been watered down into forms and dances used mainly for meditating or theater. And don't even try to tell me that Tai-Chi has useful fighting applications.



Western boxing has some of the most practical footwork out there for actual fighting.



I assume you're not talking about Bagua (or any other Kung Fu) here?



Please explain to me how any Kung Fu art is better at conditioning you to take blows than actually getting hit every day in say Boxing, Muay Thai, or MMA?

I'm pretty interested in what "Iron Shirt" is going to be.



Yes because walking in a circle and flailing your arms about all day is far more effective for self defense training than actually putting on sparring gear and going after someone that is trying to hit you back.

I hope I wasn't too sarcastic or snippy here. You're probably not one of the "I-can't-spar-or-I-would-hurt-you" people that have brainwashed themselves into thinking they are trained in an ancient form of death dealing.

I just don't think that Baqua or any other kind of kung fu is a viable form of self defense these days.

Didn't the original UFC teach us anything? Please keep in mind that there were mostly no rules back then.


BTW my Wing Chun instructor dabbled in Bagua so I know a little about it. Never liked it. This probably isn't the best video, but here it is in case anyone is curious.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.


Actually Thailand is in Asia. The Thai punks absolutely fit this same description. Make one of the motorbike taxi drivers lose face and you will surely be fighting a dozen of his friends. I've seen it happen.

There is a common saying among expats that the most dangerous weapon is not a knife or a bat, but rather the cell phone. You piss some loser off, or rather, make them 'lose face' and you could very well be jumped by all their friends. The 'one on one, give the guy a break when he's down and knocked out cold' routine will not happen.

I have never seen or been in a fight in the states where a dozen people literally beat a single guy to death. When a guy is knocked out cold on the pavement the fight is over. Not the same in Thailand, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong. A dozen beating on one person is the norm. If there is only one or two of them, they will smile, give face, and avoid conflict.


Kung-fu has some amazing ground fighting, grappling/breaking (chin-na), Throwing (shuay jiao), and all the techniques of Muay Thai, Kempo, taekwondo, Krav Maga, Silat, etc.... Kung-fu is a general term, there are tons of different styles and systems each with a distinct flavor and focus.

There is no comparison of the limited linear boxing footwork to bagua footwork, simply not even in the same league.

Tai-Chi is absolutely effective for martial applications. If you have never been exposed to real internal power I can understand why you feel this way. I would guesstimate that 90% of the internal and external kung fu being taught today is watered down and much of the original martial intent has beeen removed.

I just don't think that Baqua or any other kind of kung fu is a viable form of self defense these days.

You could be right! We all have our own unique perspective and opinions.
 
Lots of street fight and fight in school toughened me. I have chubby cheeks and slight paunch but I sure can fuck anyone.

never had formal training but in my town everyone where i grew up worships Bruce Lee and manhood and ego is a big deal so I learnt fighting on the job :)

I still poke my nose into every trouble I come across.. :)
Krav Maga I heard is dangerous.. and I still think of learning an art fulltime

I have done taekwondo and I mix it with knuckle fights. I have an uncle who did wushu professionally and he taught me a few close combat techniques...
Those have helped me in ever situation and yes I do look for situations lol

But yeah nothing beats a small Walther or Bersa thunder